When is it a mortal sin? (Your opinion)

"For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves." 1 Corinthians 11:29
I'm begging you, do not do this...

 

What youre doing right now is like telling someone who is suicidal, that because their brain is messed up, if they kill themselves, they'll still go to heaven... you are telling a group of recovering fappers, that if they have a religious conviction for being here, to not sweat it, because it doesn't matter anyway...

 

Better talk to a priest and ask him about it. Don't be more papal than the pope.

 

And it also doesn't say go get communion...

 

Unfortunately, you can get a wide variety of answers from priests. Ive heard priests say completely heredical things. I have a spiritual arvisor priest. He says it's a mortal sin. Look to the saints... see what they say about heaven and hell and impurity...

 

What's your favorite part of these "understanding" soft modern priests from the 70s? The empty pews? Or the empty seminaries? Like I said, why bother if I can just cry addict and keep sinning... you are playing Satan's side rn

 

Plus you claim to be PMO free for 3 years... what are you trying to do in this thread man?

 

You are really biased, look at the Cathechism first:

2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.

Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.

 

Me = reserve communion for when you have confessed PMO
Mr Eko = get communion after you PMO because your sin is just a tiny one specifically to you because you do it all the time

 

Meaning we can pray and have a funeral Mass for them... does not say "all suicides go to heaven". Otherwise we are all just wasting are time here on Earth. This is a sick joke and suicide brings us to God? Also, doesnt say how much purgatory time for the act if God forgives a certain case... dude... you are just this cynical sin defender... no encouragement. Just excuses... no wonder the churches are empty... if you were the priest youd just tell everyone how all sins aren't too big of a deal... you have said nothing encouraging. You are only quoting catechism to excuse sin...

 

Don't look at me or yourself but at what the Church says. Have you ever talked to a priest on this topic?

 

No. But I read St Thomas Aquinas and St John Vianney. The only way it is excused according to St John Vianney, is if a person immediately honestly in there hearts makes a sincere act of contrition and had a true intention to see a priest...

 

Who wrote the Cathechism of CC which you quote?

 

I have work tomorrow... I'll pray for you. You seem like a very heretical Catholic that leads very few to the sacraments. Kudos on your sobriety. But what is the point if gaining the world if you lose your soul?

 

Do you know that first Christians could confess only once in their life ?
When they commited a grave sin aferwards they were considered to be damned. Maybe you wanted to come back to that time?

 

JP2 was hardly a soft modern priest... The Polish are nothing like these modenist priests... dude... all youve done is argue for sin tonight... please read this abuse of divine mercy collection of st. John vianney, st Augustine and others. https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/on-the-abuse-of-divine-mercy
I know you think you are smarter than all the Saints and past Popes and have found little loopholes in the softness of the abuses in the modern church. But Jesus Himself said so many times few go to the kingdom. Also and most recently the children at Fatima... few people saved. Most thrown in the fire...

 

Lies. Paul write his flesh did what his Spirit did not want him to do. He wrote to often confess sins to each other. St. Augustine was a bishop when he penned "God grant me chastity, just not yet"

 

Read the links from Saints and Jesus please...

 

1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, "eternal fire."617 The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.

 

1. Saint Augustine says that the devil deludes Christians in two ways: "by despair and hope." After a person has committed sin, the enemy, by placing before his eyes the rigor of divine justice, tempts him to despair of the mercy of God. But, before he sins, the devil by representing to him the divine mercy, labors to make him fearless of the chastisement due to sin. Hence the saint gives the following advice: "After sin, hope for mercy; before sin, fear justice." If, after sin, you despair of God's pardon, you offend Him by a new and more grievous sin. Have recourse to His mercy, and He will pardon you. But before sin, fear God’s justice, and trust not to His mercy; for they who abuse the mercy of God to offend Him do not deserve to be treated with mercy. Abulensis says that the man who offends justice may have recourse to mercy; but to whom can they have recourse who offend and provoke mercy against themselves?

2. When you intend to commit sin, who, I ask, promises you mercy from God? Certainly God does not promise it. It is the devil that promises it, that you may lose God and be damned. ”Beware," says St. John Chrysostom, “never to attend to that dog that promises thee mercy from God." (Hom. 50, ad Pop.) If, beloved sinners, you have hitherto offended God, hope and tremble: if you desire to give up sin, and if you detest it, hope; because God promises pardon to all who repent of the evil they have done. But if you intend to continue in your sinful course, tremble lest God should wait no longer for you, but cast you into hell. Why does God wait for sinners? Is it that they may continue to insult him? No; he waits for them that they may renounce sin, and that thus he may have pity on them, and forgive them. "Therefore the Lord waiteth, that he may have mercy on you." (Isa. xxx. 1, 8.) But when he sees that the time which he gave them to weep over their past iniquities is spent in multiplying their sins, he begins to inflict chastisement, and he cuts them off in the state of sin, that, by dying, they may cease to offend him. Then he calls against them the very time he had given them for repentance. "He hath called against me the time." (Lam. i. 15.) "The very time, ” says St. Gregory, ”comes to judge."

3. O common illusion of so many damned Christians! We seldom find a sinner so abandoned to despair as to say: I will damn myself. Christians sin, and endeavour to save their souls. They say: ”God is merciful: I will commit this sin, and will afterwards confess it." Behold the illusion, or rather the snare, by which Satan draws so many souls to hell. ”Commit sin," he says, ”and confess it afterwards." But listen to what the Lord says: "And say not, the mercy of the Lord is great; he will have mercy on the multitude of my sins." (Eccl. v. 6.) Wy does he tell you not to say, that the mercy of God is great? Attend to the words contained in the following verse: "For mercy and wrath come quickly from him, and his wrath looketh upon sinners." (Ibid., ver. 7.) The mercy of God is different from the acts of his mercy; the former is infinite, the latter are finite. God is merciful, but he is also just. St. Basil says, that sinners only consider God as merciful and ready to pardon, but not as just and prepared to inflict punishment. Of this the Lord complained one day to St. Bridget: "I am just and merciful: sinners regard me only as merciful." St. Basil’s words are: “Bonus est Dominus sed etiam Justus, nolimus Deum ex dimidia parte cogitare." God is just, and, being just, he must punish the ungrateful. Father John Avila used to say, that to bear with those who avail themselves of the mercy of God to offend him, would not be mercy, but a want of justice. Mercy, as the divine mother said, is promised to those who fear, and not to those who insult the Lord. “And his mercy to them that fear him." (Luke i. .50.)

4. Some rash sinners will say: God has hitherto shown me so many mercies; why should he not here after treat me with the same mercy? I answer: he will show you mercy, if you wish to change your life; but if you intend to continue to offend him, he tells you that he will take vengeance on your sins by casting you into hell. "Revenge is mine, and I will repay them in due time, that their foot may slide." (Deut. xxxii. 35.) David says, that”except you be converted, ” he will "brandish his sword." (Ps. vii. 13.) The Lord has bent his bow, and waits for your conversion; but if you resolve not to return to him, he will in the end cast the arrow against you, and you shall be damned. O God! there are some who will not believe that there is a hell until they fall into it. Can you, beloved Christians, complain of the mercies of God, after he has shown you so many mercies by waiting for you so long? You ought to remain always prostrate on the earth to thank him for his mercies, saying: ”The mercies of the Lord that we are not consumed." (Lamen. iii. 32.) Were the injuries which you offered to God committed against a brother, he would not have borne with you. God has had so much patience with you; and he now calls you again. If, after all this, he shall send you to hell, will he do you any wrong?”What is there," he will say, ”that I ought to do more for my vineyard, that I have not done to it ?" (Isa. v. 4.) Impious wretch! what more ought I to do for you that I have not done?