Why do People Rape?

Survival of the fittest barely applies to human beings now. Modern medicine has made pregnancy possible for anyone and genes that should be gone are proliferating because of it. This is why there is so much disease and terrible mutations of genes etc. Just as an example look at glasses. I cannot see without them. Without my glasses or contacts I am rendered completely useless. In the wild I would have been eaten and that gene would have discontinued. Also I have friends who could not conceive and they had to go to several dr's and finally had in vitro. They ended up with twins and one of them is mentally slower than normal.

Morality comes from the development of our very large prefrontal cortex which is what separates us from the apes and other animals. This is an evolutionary process. Prefrontal cortex is responsible for making decisions based on long term consequences. So rape would mean jail, or guilt, or pain etc so you are choosing not to do it. You have also been socialized to know that it is wrong. Socialization has a strong effect on our subconscious processes.

 

Completely agree with that, our intelligence had completely upset the natural selection law.

 

They wouldn't call it rape because they see animals as being "stupid" or having no conscious thought. Also in a pack of dogs the female would have "back up" against a dog that wanted to mate with her but isn't supposed to. In this scenario a domestic dog is not natural and there is no hierarchy...the pack leader is the human who would intervene. This is why a random male dog tries to mate with a dog not in heat. Domestic dogs are not socialized properly.

 

It would make some people not rape. Some people might want to rape but then decide not to as they don't want to go to jail. Some people don't want to go to hell either. Most morality comes from some form of consequence otherwise how would you know it is wrong? Of course a persons individual morality could also come from natural consequences. So for example if I wanted to rape a man and did it and he did not want me to do that, I would suffer natural consequences, like being shunned by him, being beaten up by him etc. Then I woukd naturally come to the conclusion that rape is not good. This is how children learn as well. Children do not have the ability to control impulses so natural consequences...like touching a hot stove = burnt hand...are important. That isn't a moral situation but you get my point.

I would say that society forms rules based on a sense of morality since society is made up of individuals. Our society is based on Christian morality. A lot of our rules follow Christian commandments etc.

Totally agree!

 

I agree it would but they would still choose to follow that moral code that says rape is wrong.

That is an excellent point and I hadn't thought about that. Having said that I am sure that most people would do what is morally right in the face of death in order to gain some form of notoriety. No act of kindness is completely slefless. Most modern day heroes are people that did this very thing. Although they went against the law, they are still praised for doing "good".

Yes. What else would indicate it to be otherwise. Assuming of course we lived in a world where there were no laws against it etc. People kill animals and there is no moral dilemma, people kill another human being and it is wrong. Consequences make one fine and the other one not fine.

To be continued....

 

Yes but the basic moral code means that most BIG things will be in agreement. Murder, rape, stealing etc. Parents and children will agree that these are wrong. Little things that have very little consequence they/we may disagree on. For example smoking pot. It is illegal so my parents disagree with it. I don't care because I see it as being like alcohol. Murder or rape would be a whole different matter.

 

I believe this too, to a certain extent....BUT it is very hard to tease apart the threads of morality that has not been influenced in some way by laws, social programming, parents etc. Otherwise all people would be moral and act morally.
Why would anyone act immoral unless they've said to themselves "I don't care about the consequences"?

Good discussion

 

Sorry for all the posts I can't seem to make long posts anymore

 

What I said recently was "evolution gave humans morals". It is a simplified way of saying evolution gave humans the prefrontal cortex which causes them to make descisions based up the consequences and societal judgment.

Like Limeaid said, humans are bypassing the laws of nature. We are passing on genes that were never meant to be passed on. People with glasses, infertility, and metal illness genes are all being passed down because "natural selection" is being bypassed. I can see some major consequences in the future for such actions.

Yes, evolution is an automatic process, but we are stopping that automatic process with medicines, glasses, and pills. It is no longer directed by chance. It is directed by us. We are also affecting wildlife and how they survive. It is no longer based upon who survives the best or "survival of the fittest" as Limeaid said.

There is no survival of the individuals gene pool. All of humanity was born from the same gene pool and we still are in the same gene pool. Mutations and oddities do not classify someone as their own gene pool. So survival of the human gene pool is implied, not just your gene pool. I have no idea why or where you got that you have to sow your genes into as many females as possible. Using women for sex is wrong because we "morally" think it is. We have evolved in some small way to think that we no longer have this animalistic urge to fuck everything in site.

Some people, however messed up in the head, have regressed in evolution and lost that factor in their mind that tells them something is morally wrong or their brain is able to rationalize rape in some way. Yes, you are an animal and the fact that you just made that sarcastic joke shows that you have evolved in some way to "morally" think that joke was okay. I, however, think smartassery in a serious conversation is "morally" rude and should be avoided.

No one ever said animals have no morality. Humans are animals because we are a form of mammals. Any science teacher will tell you the basics of environmental biology. We are a species that is governed by nature and the will it has over us, but we are denying nature this control when we get glasses or take medicine. We know rape is morally wrong because of the pain it inflicts upon its victims. Most people correlate pain with "bad" and so we think if it causes pain in some way it is wrong.

Morality is an idea that humanity created to govern over right or wrong. If your mind is not running properly as a human being, then there will be serious shifts in the way you think compared to normal people. It is exactly like saying "I should be a good person because I am a Christian". You think this way because according to the bible it is morally wrong to be a bad person. To do bad things.

So, in the end, all of humanity uses a part of their brain to know whether or not eating cereal in the morning is okay. It's very simple to understand really.

It never enters the equation. It is always there unless we are mentally ill. When you make a descision, such as to write on this thread, think back to when you were thinking about it. How did it come about? You read this thread, responded, I responded to you, you responded back, and I am now resonding to you. I wanted to respond to you because I thought it would be "good" to try to explain something like this to you. I had no idea how complicated it really was until you really made me think about it lol.

We think rape is wrong because it causes pain. Also, humans are considered manogamists because of Christianity's morals so sleeping around is considered bad or a sin. Morals is just a word that we use for what our brains deem right or wrong. It is so confusing, I know. Hopefully this helped.

 

@EarthDragon the thing about sowing your seed into as many females as possible is that if you don't stick around to protect the female and provide resources your genes will not make it to the next generation. A females job is to grow and take care of the young and the males job is to protect and bring resources. It is a cooperative effort. The idea that men have an urge to impregnate as many women as possible with zero desire to couple up and help raise those offspring goes against human nature altogether.

Of course nowadays things are very different. Medical science, government assistance, women providing the resources themselves and farming out childcare, men and women having sex without getting pregnant/consequences, synthetic hormones. The whole thing is messed up! Having said that there is still a strong desire for both men and women to couple up and raise their children to see they have the best chance at success.

I think I am way off topic now

 

Thank you @Sun Bro and @Limeaid for your responses. They made me think, but I have some more questions. So:

Okay, so I think we can agree that there are infertile, mentally ill and people who don't see well. If these has anything to do with the gene pool, I must assume that there had to be people before who were infertile, mentally ill and who don't see well as far back as the beginnings of humanity, right? So either genes that are counterproductive for survival somehow still get passed on, and always have been, or mutations that cause these things are always "re-emerge". Which one?
With medicine and pills we can treat the symptoms but we can't seem to be able to treat the cause. What I mean is that I don't see a major change since we have modern medicine.

Are you sure? If so, why do we fight over women, and why do we try to have sex with as much as possible? Why do we compete with each other? Doesn't the widespread use of pornography suggests that people are more obsessed with sex than ever before? Or that rape happens quite often?

Okay so which one? If morality is human invention, animals can't have it. If animals too have morals, then it's not a human invention. Or am I missing something?

I guess you think about people who don't have morals, like sociopaths. I agree, they are mentally ill. Can they do something about it, or is it somethin that their brain causes? Are they responsible for their actions, or are they a slave to their own brains? And if they are their own brains, on what basis do we consider someone "evil" (like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot or Mao)? Are they not just following their ...i don't know...chemicals in their brains?

I have an another issue. If morality exists in the brain (prefrontal cortex as you mentioned) and everybody has their own brain, that means everybody has their own set of morals, right? On what basis do we say that one set of morals is "better" than another set of morals? This is a moral question on it's own, so it gets complicated, but bear with me. Or does this mean, that what most men deem as moral, must be the "normal" set of morals? If everybody is equal, then why do we punish someone who commits a crime. Aren't they just follow their own moral code? You don't even have to think about something sinister as rape or murder, think about lying.

Well, that's one way to ensure that your genes survive. Another method is going by the law of large numbers. The more you sow your seed, the more chance you'll have that one of your offspring will survive.

Thanks again guys, I really apprecite your answers.

 

Nicely thought.
3 words : God save us !

 

Agreed

 

Thanks for the info !

 

You said it. Today's is different.
Do you think that we should go back to ancient ages were there was no modern science and where it was not that easy for people to do,all they desire ?

 

Wow, I'm heading to your country right now ! LoL.
In the Western world I fear I'll never meet a virgin girl. I don't even think I could trust one who would claim to be a virgin !

 

Why does the family-dog bite the little child who just wanted to play? Why do people kill themselves.
Some people, beings and things are just dysfunctional. Some things just get damaged and snap. Some people just get mentally ill.

 

Just so you know this is stereotyping. There are plenty of wonderful women who don't buy into the "alpha male" bullshit and are much smarter than to go just flaunting themselves at every guy. If anything you should believe a girl that says she's a virgin because in our fucked up society now it's considered an insult. Why would she lie?

 

Yeah I was generalizing. But my trust is completely broken so that even if it's considered an insult to be a virgin I don't know if I could put my trust in the girl. I know for sure there are plenty of virgins out there who see their virginity as something important.