does masturbating to a real girl picture count as porn?

Hi everyone My name is johan, im 26 and i have pied. I havent watched porn for over 4 moths now and ocasionally had sex using sex stimulants pills and always failed on the second round but I didnt like those girls though I just wanted to let out my horniness but now im starting to see a girl from work that I really like a lot and she likes me back. she sits right next to me, she is always hugging me and rubbing my arms so I end up having blueballs all the time, last night she sent me some naked pictures I couldnt resist it and masturbated to those pictures I dont know if it is the same as porn im counting it as a relapse. does that mean that im back to the begining?

sorry for my english and thanks in advance

 

Whenever I masturbate regardless of porn use I set my counter back to zero.

 

Why wouldn't it be?
Do you think that because you know her you're looking at more than her body?
What were you thinking?
Maybe it's her cooking that excites you?
If she's not there doing it with you, how can it be anything but PMO?

 

The whole point of abstaining from PMO is to refrain from masturbating, particularly while looking at imagery, right? Therefore, how could this possibly not count as a relapse?

I would definitely count it as a relapse, but either way, hopefully things between you and her turn into a more serious relationship, as I think that's what most of us are striving towards.

 

Yes, that absolutely counts as PMO. I find it odd that you didn't know that all along.

 

If the goal is not to MO and you MO then that is clearly a relapse...

But I'd just like to pick up on the question of whether a naked picture of a girlfriend (or future girlfriend) qualifies as porn. Imho it doesn't as there is a strong emotional and aesthetic aspect to such photos - in this case it is a form of flirtation from this girl that she likely hopes will lead somewhere - rather than purely to stimulate erotic emotions as with porn.

The naked picture is the modern equivalent of a garter belt or pair of panties that a girl would give to her man to remind him of her. To label a beautiful, natural object of courtship as porn is therefore unjust.

 

I agree . I believe its a relapse I believe its a P sub , example girl u like sends u pics nude look delete maybe talk to her about nofap and why u are doing it other wise she will keep sending these pictures to you , if u like her maybe talk to her why u doing nofap otherwise these pictures will make u fail every time from PMO

 

I would say that it is, as most of us are trying to get away from the problems which have been caused by sitting in our rooms and masturbating to images on a screen. Just because you're sitting in your room masturbating to images on a screen which were sent to you by a woman you know and may have sex with in the future doesn't really change anything, in my opinion.

I do agree that it's better than looking at pictures of anonymous women you'll never meet, but as the goal is to get to the point where PMO is no longer an option, I don't see how it couldn't be considered a relapse.

 

As I said in my earlier post I completely agree it is a definite relapse of MO.

Where I disagree is with calling it a PMO relapse. I fail to see how a naked photo of ones girlfriend can be called porn. This may just be a disagreement over semantics but I think it's important, nonetheless, to avoid mislabelling aspects connected with genuine romance as porn.

 

A picture of a real girl isn't porn

 

What kind of pills are those?

 

I agree that a picture of a person with whom you're in a relationship is not porn. For me personally however, I would view it as a PMO relapse were I to be separated from my wife for a period, receive photos from her and masturbate to them. The reason is that I'm abstaining from PMO because of all the problems I've brought upon myself through the excessive periods of time I've spent masturbating while looking at images on screens. I've been dealing with it long enough to realize that sitting in front of a device and masturbating to images, even if they're of someone with whom I'm in a relationship, is enough to send me spiraling into another porn binge.

So again, I do agree that a picture of someone with whom you're in a relationship is not porn. However, I do think that masturbating while looking at it should be considered a PMO relapse, especially for those who have struggled with porn for long periods of time and could be considered addicts.

However, I do realize that people are going to have differing points of view on this, and I certainly wouldn't consider those who disagree to be "wrong." It's just that again, I think it's important for PMO addicts to realize the ease with which they can fall back into the cycle and avoid masturbating to any types of imagery.

 

I know it is PMO maybe I didnt write it correctly im sorry but I already counting it as a relapse because I masturbated but I dont know how a picture of a real girl can be consider porn but anyways. does that set me back to square one? I havent watched porn for like 5 months and about the sexual stimulants I used before Im trying to quit that too im planning to use less and less until its no longer needed I used diferent brands of stimulant not the blue one in dominican republic you can get them without medical prescription.

 

A naked picture of a girl, taken by that girl and sent to you from the same girl because she likes you is NOT porn.

Is your girlfriend undressing in front of you a stripper? Is your girlfriend sleeping with you a hooker?

Of course not.

So please don't worry - your 5 months of no porn continues. Good luck with the next 5 months!

 

Surely there is a better way to look at this...

We are trying to abstain from stimulating the parts of our brain which are associated with fantasy. The more we fantasise the more we crave porn. If my wife sends me photos of herself, and I do have a few, I do not masturbate to them. I recognise that by doing so on a molecular level I am stimulating the same pathways and activating the same feelings and fantasies. The fact that its a real person is irrelevant in my opinion, even if it was your wife.

 

You are absolutely right, of course, when viewed from a wider NoFap perspective.

But on the separate question that he asked of whether a naked picture of your gf is porn, which was the only point I addressed, then clearly it is not porn.

 

It's a form of porn. Get that woman to see you in person...much better option

 

Why do you believe it is a form of porn?

It does not fit the dictionary definition of porn. Eroticism perhaps.

While fighting P addiction we should try to remember what is good and not throw out the baby with the bath water.

Flirtation from a girl, in it's myriad forms, is a beautiful thing to receive and to treasure.

 

Well in using the technical def of porn:
"television programs, magazine, books, etc. that are regarded as emphasizing the sensuous or sensational aspects of a nonsexual subject and stimulating a compulsive interest in their audience."

not many things would be considered porn. But this pic is giving him the effects of P so I just call it what it is. Flirting is cool but to M over it isn't the ideal response.

 

Please be aware the original poster is clearly troubled over this one specific question. The proper meaning of words matters.

If anything that helps you masterbate is to be considered porn are our own sexual thoughts porn? Where would you draw the line?

Masturbating to internet porn, especially moving images, is destructive behavior. Absolutely no question and we all agree. But we must retain a sense of proportion and balance.

Imagine a world where girls no longer flirt with guys because they worry it may lead to the guy masterbating! A true dystopian nightmare...