nofappers, what are your opinions on pick up culture?

I have been doing a lot of research in this area with quite a bit of success. I got into it with Alan Roger Currie's "Mode One," then "The Game," and then a bunch of other research. I think they provide great tools for the toolkit. I will tell you first hand that I don't even miss P and M when I am Oing one or two girls every weekend.

 

i was addicted to them until i notice they are sex addicted
this fight club style of approaching random girls massively is a compensation of not liking yourself, and so is the sex addiction
nofap helped me see this and understand things about human connection, liking yourself and development
i'm also disconnected from my friends that still do these massive approaches, because nofap separete our purposes

 

I think there are great that there is knowledge out there who helps you improve your communcation with others.
But I have tried to search for wisdom in these pickupsites, wanting to improve my life to the better.
They don't see the joy and beauty in the moment. They see actions and results. And they miss the whole spiritual side of living free and true. Now I'm talking Pickupsites with their members in general.

 

I found his seminars a little heavy handed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n2IVF9a2IA

 

whole RSD.

Was addicted into their videos, now i deleted over 100 GB of it
I have to say now that less than 5% of Tyler's video is usefull (The Blueprint Decoded is fantastic)
Nofap made me notice what happens in pick up culture, they change their frustration from "Chode Times" to sexual fulfillment in massive approach. It's hard to accept what i'm telling about RSD, just like it's hard for some people accept they are addicted to PMO
There's some point a person that have neuroscientific sexual addiction knowledge can notice their addiction, and it's about the Coolidge Effect and other stuff. Basicly Tyler says he can't fuck a ''perfect 10'' more than 2 or 3 times, it means they develop a resistence to stimulation, just like in PMO, he even ridicularize NOFAP community on the video:


About listening Tyler talking about deep spirituality: is not cool for me anymore, because he doesn't fit in the description he created himself of selfconfidence.
It's like creating a deep foundation and not living/being that
You might be asking yourself why i notice he and Julien don't live that, and i will tell you
When you are addicted to something, you can develop a fake self-confidence / self acceptance (they call situational confidence), that's why they need 10 years of approaching to feel with their ego they are someone, because it's an identity around "Being good with woman", it doesn't come from their core, it's an ability.

If you are good enough with social perception (what they call subcomunication) you will understand what happens with Tyler's new ''favorite'' instructor when A REALLY GROUNDED MAN come around, this man just come around and answer one question with one word, and you see he needing to "control frame" (PUA term for something like "holding confidently")
00:25


IT's NOT enough liking Eckhart Tolle, you have to live it, and any addiction cancel presence in the moment
What they do then? they are dependent in activating the flow (they call it momentum), it's a Brain mechanism to temporary be confident (presence in the moment)

A grounded man is all the time

 

maybe it's all marketing and the industry
if you make guys thinking about being good after 10 year of massive approaching, these guys will keep going into their seminars
think outside the box

 

I am new to RSD, but I will be watching some of his videos (everything with a critical mind and grain of salt, of course). I haven't seen much benefit of total abstinence, although it might strengthen my game. It's like going deer hunting on an empty stomach, I suppose. I am, however, realizing how empty short term hookups leave me feeling. So, I am just enjoying the ride while I look for a long term partner.

 

i just like fucking girls, but hate pmo.

 

Personally I wouldn't use PUA methods in clubs. I'd rather use it to establish connections because getting too many easy roots can be draining. My uncle is a PUA expert, sleeps with girls 20 years younger than him regularly and it did not end well.

 

I haven't watched their videos, but the idea in general, just looking for 1-night stands (or even 2 or 3-night or, beyond, just sex buddies) doesn't sound appealing to me at all. It's essentially the same fulfilment that I could get from PMO. I could go and have sex with 4 different girls this month, but where does that leave me? Next month, I've made no net gain in my life from those 4 nights. Studies say people who've had many relations are less likely to end up in a satisfying long-term relationship. Everything is "been there, done that". I want a life partner and I don't want to reduce her by experiencing enough other girls to constantly be comparing to her. It's bad enough that I have to recover from PMO already.

If it's about just getting a girl to be interested in you, I would say the most effective technique is just to stop worrying about it, stop caring about it. Just talk to girls without any expectations, any hidden motive, just talk to them as people. They'll appreciate that and pretty soon you'll find yourself with more than enough of their attention.

 

When I saw this thread I knew I had to leave a comment.

RSD is one of the biggest dating company in the world. What's cool about them is that they are not only focused on pick-up, they are focused on lifelong learning and improving, getting on top of your life.

What I have learned from RSD is that you can do what you want in life, you just need to be a men and get over all your bullshit excuses.

They are humans just like us that play by their own rules.

 

I feel like as I have more matured and "woken" up a bit more now, so to speak - I now hate pick up culture, almost with a passion.

When I was a bit younger, I naturally thought that you had to do all these stupid things for women, like cartwheels and putting them on a pedestal etc... but obviously I was naive...

You don't need any rules or games. Just open your mouth and talk to someone.

Also, I don't get my kicks by sleeping around. I get my kicks by living in my passions and desires.

Whatever job I've been in, I've always been asked out. I'm no longer bothered about my dating life. It always takes care of itself, and in fact, the longer my streaks become, the more my eyes are opening, the less I care. I'm finding complete happiness within myself, with who I am.

I don't need to go to a club to ask someone out. I can do that at a grocery or walking down the street.

The best thing any male can do is be his complete authentic self with women, no matter what. Anything but that, you are just putting a woman on a pedestal and altering your character to fit yourself around her nature, which is weak.

 

RSD has great messages, however, their content should be screened and analyzed by you within the context of your values and who you are really proud being.

I like their core confidence/self-development concepts but I don't like that sometimes they have a tendency to objectify women.

In my case, I will make use of some of the RSD core principles but apply them within my values:
A frame of respect and love for the potential women that I meet (getting to know the person and letting them get to know you) as opposed to objectifying them and just viewing them as utilitarian sex objects.
So in my case I will apply their principles with the objective of meeting an amazing girl for a potential relationship. If we both like each other then I will start focusing on becoming intimate and eventually having sex.

I don't put sex first because I know that this framework wakes up and strengthens my porn addict which inevitably leads back to pmo or prostitutes. That's why I put love first, because sex with love is more profound and deep that meaningless sex will ever be and this is key to shifting towards having a healthy relationship with sex.

 

Very true that you knowledge of this stuff can be applied in many ways. depending on who you are. I also prefer your kind of mindset.

 

Wow . . . watched about 15 minutes of a video and had to turn it off. It's like a bad Jersey Shore episode except apparently this guy is serious. I apologize for dissing a guy somebody likes, but come on. Is manipulating women and humiliating them really "spirituality"? Wow. Has anybody seen "Seduce and Destroy" from Magnolia, it's Tom Cruise playing a guy like this, it's a parody. (I posted a link above) His attitude about women is absolute objectification and a tone of humiliation, which you also see a lot of in porn, slapping women instead of celebrating them. He's a garden variety misogynist.