How often do you think it is ok to fap ?

Never!

 

fapping is not harmful unless you have a partner that don't like it, its pmo that (supposedly) messes you up. But like all things if not done in moderation it can be bad wether its fapping, gossiping, picking up girls or working.

 

Don’t do it at all, your body naturally relieves itself.

 

So you are saying that ia good if you don't watch porn? I disagree. For example I never have addiction whit P but I'm here om this forum. Ita very bad habbit that can mess you up a big time.

 

Well but mastrubation is big and unhealthy addiction. And for sake of manhood touching yourself means you have no self-control. And we all have that issue here. So for to be a real man you don't touch yourself alone in confortable home. You insted do something that will benefit you and other around you.

 

I m sure that you can balance it just like other things, but when i had relapses always after 80 days i was always feeling sick and it bring me to other relapses, so i think is better to abstain just like smoke and alcol.
Balance is just for a few choosed ones

 

sex addiction can also mess you up, everything that give you dopamine can; masturbation is natural and healthy if you don't have someone that will let you use her/him for sex.

 

sex is mostly done for recreational purpose, like alcohol and cigarettes it is fun to do so it is addictive, M and PMO is just a subgenre of sex.

 

Anywhere between 0 times a week to 0 times a year.

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with masturbation, if like everything else in life, it is done in moderation. Men have been masturbating for many thousands of years without any negative effects.

The problem is high speed internet pornography. Our brains are not designed to cope with it. Currently, l am on day 24 no PMO. Once l have successfully rebooted, l will return to masturbating occassionally. However, l will never watch pornography again in my life.

 

I desagree. I have a lots of negative effect and many other people. And I never in my life was addicted to pornography.

 

How natural is not to have control over your arm. So for me if you can't do litle thing right how can you do big things right. Control over your arm is small thing but if you use it to please yourself every time. Then your are nit in control of small things.
I untherstand what you say. But try to think little diferent.

 

How?

Do you see a difference between a hand and vagina (or a toy and penis) ? Do you see a difference between one person being there as opposed to two people? These are completely different, blindly different.

I don't think we can procreate by masturbating, unless that is what these compulsive scientists are telling you. (I recognize science for its importance by the way)

Sex is natural, but that doesn't imply that we need to masturbate. You don't ejaculate on your underwear and see a baby start to form during a span of 9 months.

Okay, propagation. Let's say we decide that we want to have sex three or four times a week from our late teens up until we are...I don't know... 50. Well, that means we might have given birth dozens of children. Lets say it is with different women because that's what men need, right? That is a lot of resources! Imagine trying to feed all those kids. Now, suppose many men do this. The population will explode and since we are all having crazy sex with each other that will lead to high chances of incest. That would then mean that the offspring will have a much harder time to survive do to genetic abnormalities. By this point survival of the species becomes way more difficult. Not a very good way to procreate if you ask me.

An alternative? Do something else. Have sex and then go use all that energy (semen production takes energy, think supply and demand) to help raise your children. That IS part of procreation, procreation doesn't stop after you cum into your SO. If you want more children use all your energy to create an environment healthy for the first during the early years and then go and have another child. This is far more efficient that just throwing your semen all over the place.

Being lost in the question of whether or not you can masturbate takes a lot of time and energy. Dissolve it. Do something else. While you are trying to fight your urges life is sweeping by. Masturbation is like 0.001% of your time. But wrestling with whether or not to do can take you away from living.

 

I see and I recognize the point. Nothing missed here. I just don't agree with where the focus is most of the time. "It is nothing but synapses in the brain and chemicals being released through the body." There are also bonding chemicals at play if you look at it from that point of view. Those bonding chemicals are meant to bond with a mate so that procreation takes place. "But, let's just ignore that part because masturbation is so wonderful."

Is that stimulation sustainable? No, it is not. You keep going back for more and more and more. Your need to keep going back to M-ing may be because you didn't receive a biological/physiological response from a mate.. But, your hqrd nut brain (not calling you a hard nut, but the organ itself) doesn't know the difference. What is proliferated these days is that it's part of who you are, its your sexuality...all that nonsense.

When you get right down to it, there is nothing wholesome in masturbation. You don't get anything out of it. It is a fleeting moment of pleasure that only takes energy away from you, and since you didn't receive any response (bonding chemicals from a potential partner) from a physical mate, you feel like you lost something for no reason.

 

I agree that sex and masturbation are two different things. Sex is much more than the release of endorphins and energy. It's about touching, smells, pheromones courtship, and most importantly, it's about the connection with the person. But I don't see this as a reason for masturbation to be bad. You release energy, yes, but you also release stress and tension. Why is masturbation a bad thing?

 

Well I explained above, from my POV what happens when one gets lost in M-ing. Because it causes me inner turmoil and takes my mind away from the present moment, especially when it comes to urges, I choose to learn how to keep distance from it. To reiterate, it is essentially an energy sink. I never said it was bad. Its just not efficient for life.

Also, there are a multitude of ways to relieve stress and tension.

 

Like some people above said that masturbation done in moderation is good unless it's not affecting your daily life. But I think that's a sentence with only half of the meaning. Masturbation is healthy when your really sexually aroused, if you feel that I'm doing it to relieve tension, sure it will release endorphins, oxytocin but unless you're a really strong willed person which only 10-20% are, it's going to turn into an addiction in the long run. Slowly you'll stop imagining stuff and substitute to porn and that's how the cycle will start.

That's what happened in the beginning to everyone isn't it...No one became a Porn addict from the very first time that they watched porn. It escalated, slowly, silently and in the latter stages when they came to know it was causing trouble to them they came here at NOFAP and are constantly working together. Simple Masturbation was just the very first form of something huge. Our ancestors never had SEX multiple times for pleasure. They had SEX multiple time just for the sake of increasing their chances of the extension of Progeny. This Primal notion of having sex is hardwired in our brain but now we are safe from predators and other harms, so SEX evolved to be a pleasurable activity. SEX with a partner is a great thing because at that point 2 beings are emotionally connected to each other. What PORN does is that it causes our Brain to take advantage of our Primal senses and creates a notion of having sex by masturbating. This is where it goes wrong in the long run.

As for the part where no masturbation might lead to prostate cancer, even I used to read posts from healthline and other sources but they soon became a solid reason for me to continue to fap thinking it was healthy. Prostate cancer is only a high chance in elder people, if you are healthy and young then it's not much of a problem.
What my opinion is don't masturbate at all for some period if it's an addiction, reboot and then do it moderately...but if you are really strong willed and sure that it won't cause any problem try to do it only when you are highly sexually aroused, this feeling of sexually aroused is the same that you get when you're on the 7th day(it might even be when you get the most powerful urges) of the NOFAP streak.