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Edging and peaking at vids during NoFap

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by atak, Jul 28, 2015.

  1. atak

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    I know edging and peaking at porn vids is wrong during NoFap but sometimes I can't help myself. It is either surrender and PMO or just P and M but not O. Is it worse to PMO or just PM without the O?

    I'm at the moment at day 14 and the urges really begin to kick in. I watched porn and touched myself without finishing. I noticed that I don't have the same mental and physical recovery where I would do neither P, M or O.

    How bad is it to peak at porn while doing NoFap? I sometimes feel like I'm cheating myself and I can better not do NoFap at all if I'm edging and watching vids but at the same time if I go really hardcore NoFap the pressure builds up so much that I relapse in couple of days.
     
  2. marcpro

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    You shouldn't you damage the recovery process. Nofap is without Porn
     
  3. atak

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    Normally I would have wet dreams after 1.5 weeks. Now with cheating and edging (without relapsing) I feel like I did NoFap for almost 2 weeks for nothing. I read that the problem with ED is dopamine levels. When I watch porn but not finish it is just the same effect. I light up dopamine in my brain but I just don't finish. The dopamine problem and being sensitiveness of my brain doesn't get solved this way. By the way the reason why I'm doing NoFap is that I can't get it up with real life girls. I need that visual stimulation that hardcore porn provides to get it up. How long do I have to do NoFap hardcore mode to be healed?
     
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  4. atak

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    If you watch porn even for couple of seconds do you go back to day 0?
     
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  5. IGY

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  6. If you are edging and peeking during the reboot you are not 14 days in, you are 0 days in, because you have been using all the time. When I say "using" I mean you have been using artificial sexual stimulation to get a dopamine high. Next question. What is artificial sexual stimulation? It is anything that gets you a dopamine high other than sex. Not to be too obvious, but if it is not actual sex, it is not actual sex. You need to step back and understand the reboot involves NO porn, no PMO, no MO, no edging, no porn substitutes, no vanilla porn, no porn memory, no porn fantasy, deliberately avoiding thoughts of sex, for at least 90 days. There is no easy way out of here, I am sorry so say. But...there is a way out. The hard 90. They don't call it the casually done, in your spare time, when you have time, off and on here and there 90. The hard 90 sucks. Dude, take time to UNDERSTAND your problem. Until you do, you won't fix it. Study this vid. Study it.



    You are posting in a porn addiction forum. That tells me you have take the first step to freedom, which is really wanting to quit. I have absolute confidence you can do it, but you won't do it just hoping to do it. You have to understand our mutual problem. BTW, everyone fails the jump program the first time. Everyone. You have to turn off your dopamine spout and keep it off for at least 90 days. I am giving you advice I wish someone had given me. It would have save me over a year in getting clean. If I had been smart enough to take it.

    Peace.

    William.
     
  7. Limeaid

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    A better question would be "how is edging to porn impacting my life positively"? Is edging to porn your goal? Is it going to help you quit? I can guarantee you will be PMOing in short order and right back to where you were before. When urges become the strongest is when you need to be the strongest. Get the tools you need to fight those urges because those strong urges mean your brain is rebooting. By watching porn and edging you are setting yourself up for failure. Kind of like a food addict going into a restaurant, ordering a pile of food and sitting there smelling it. What will it accomplish? It is making the urge to consume that much worse. If the food addict went and took a walk or meditated or whatever it would have been much more beneficial.
     
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  8. Aghast

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    There's some knowledgeable folks on here that have posted above. they and myself included have been where you are and have "peaked" at P in the past while quitting. I think you"ll find, as most of us have that you will be unable to recover and will undoubtedly eventually PMO if you watch P. You're listening to that addicted voice in your head that says "its not cheating if I dont MO". Thats your addiction talking and it will fight you every step of the way. You need to learn to identify those thoughts for exactly what they are, giving in and feeding your cravings. Sure it makes it easier, its like a smoker quitting smoking, but having a smoke once in a while to ease the cravings, you just cant quit that way. Once that sweet dopamine floods your brain it will reignite all of your old habitual neural pathways and no change will occur. You have probably experienced that "point of no return" when you peak at P, but you excite yourself to the point where you just cant put it down until you PMO no matter how much you want to.

    The first week is the hardest and takes serious effort, you can do it stay vigilant!
     
  9. atak

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    Thanks, I already watched that video a long time ago. I watched it again and it became more vivid to me.

    Intellectually I know that edging and peeking at vids during the day makes it worse. It is worse than just PMOing and getting it over with but I can't help myself.

    It feels like I'm out of control and my urges dominate me.
     
  10. atak

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    Nowhere didn't I say I didn't know edging and peeking at vids is bad. I already confessed and admitted it was bad. The problem is that I can't help myself. After 3 days of hardcore NoFap the urges pile up so much that I can't go a day further without peeking at some vids for some dopamine rush. I know it is bad but if I don't do it my whole day get's consumed by it. I really want to progress in my life because at the moment I can't get it up with girls in real life (who are stunning). Even with a 9/10 I can't get it up. I understand how important it is to stop on an intellectual base but in practise I'm failing everytime I go on this journey.
     
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  11. atak

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    That is a good metaphore about the retaurant and the food. I'm actively busy with NoFap for 2 year. Recently (last 1 year) I discovered that I have to go all-in and do hardcore NoFap without edging or give up on healing my ED. I'm kind of disappointed at myself until now because I failed until now. As you said if I want to heal I have to go 100%. I already deleted my porn stash on my harddrive. I deleted all my favorites in my IE. I joined the gym and I started reading. I changed my lifestyle but I'm still messing up. My self-discpline and motivation is horrible although I know the stakes are so big.
     
  12. 8BitsOfStuggling

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    I am sorry, but I have to agree with every other persons post. You can always help yourself. The fact that you say you cannot help yourself, makes me feel like you might be trying NoFap for an alternative motive other than YOU wanting it gone. If YOU wanted it gone, you can definitely help yourself. If something else wants it gone, YOU don't, so of course you can't out will what you want. Make a decision and stick to it. Sometimes people need to hear the harsh reality.
     
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  13. atak

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    Says the guy who is on day 3...

    Seriously I think you are unsensitive. Being a porn addict is like being a drug addict.

    You can't just say to him "just get over it"... If it was that easy he wouldn't have that problem. The problem is complex.
     
  14. atak

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    Who says I'm getting defensive? It sounds to me you are getting defensive and start explaining yourself for simply pointing at a fact. You are on day 3. Problem? I say it again: you are on day 3.

    There is a difference between giving in to your urges voluntarily and not voluntarily. For somebody who is here since 2014 you don't seem to know the difference. If everything was so easy as you are trying to describe it there wouldn't be drug addicts or any kind of addicts on this world. And yes I say it again: you are insensitive (and I will add this you are also a prick for calling me bad words.)
     
  15. atak

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    Yea, you would be a good coach for drug addicts. Just call them "prick", "asshole", and other nasty words when they explain how hard to is to overcome an addiction.
     
  16. NoBrainer

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    Why so defensive atak? You asked for other's opinions and when you recieved it, you shoved it right back in AllTheRageBackHome's face. :confused:

    The first part of this post is a rationalisation. It seems you've convinced yourself that by watching just a little porn, you can curb your urges, and it won't affect you in the long run. The problem with this logic is that watching porn without orgasm does not dispel sexual energy. In fact it creates more, leading to urges becoming more intense and presumably ends with you giving in, and blowing a load while edging.

    Only spending a little time watching porn is irrelevant to the effect that it has on your current addiction. If you watch porn, or edge, you're feeding the addiction.

    The second part of this quote shows the importance of your journey here. I wouldn't expect that you would want to slow down your recovery (and make it harder on yourself in the process) with these peeking sessions. The secret to controlling your sexual energy and your urges to fap/ watch porn is to 'divert' your 'sexual energy' into other areas of your life. Activities that will help you especially are cardiovascular exercise, working, doing chores, meditating, taking cold showers, socialising etc.
     
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  17. Masquerade

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    Yes.Thats it.And MEDITATION plays a major role in fighting any kind of addiction(My experience) Its like you are really communicating with yourself in a deeper sense and it works wonders.Try it and see the result
     
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  18. atak

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    I appreciate feedback. And I thanked couple of posts but people who call me bad names will not be appreciated. I thought he was insensitive and I explained why I thought that. When I did that it was he who got defensive and called me bad names. That is not how you treat a guest.

    I'm going to try meditation instead of peaking next time. Let's see how that is going to work out. Thanks for your feedback.
     
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  19. atak

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    I will try that. :) Do you have any book recommendation on meditation perhaps?
     
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  20. NoBrainer

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    Okay fair dos. There was a post of AllTheRageBackHome's I hadn't read.

    Try this video. It is simple and straight to the point!
    Btw, this is a video for mindfulness meditation.
     

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