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Why Counting Days On NoFap Is Holding You Back

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by sh0gun, Mar 14, 2022.

  1. sh0gun

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    In the NoFap community it is a common practice for men to count the days since their last relapse. This can be a good tactic, as it can be used as motivation to keep going when you hit certain milestones.

    However, counting days for the most part is unproductive. It can reinforce your own negative behaviours which will lead you to relapsing again in the future.

    Here's a few reasons why I believe counting days holds us back...

    It puts unnecessary pressure on yourself

    Counting days on NoFap can sometimes put unnecessary pressure on yourself. It is understandable that you want to beat your record streak. But thinking in this way can lead to self sabotage.

    The closer you get to that record streak, the more you start to get stressed about it. You start to think "I really wanna get there this time" and that kind of internal dialogue creates stress within you, which makes you more prone to a relapse!

    Besides, breaking your record streak isn't always a sign of progress. For example, if you compare a streak of 20 days where you did tons of exercise, meditation and strengthening relationships with a 30 day streak where you just played video games and ate junk food...which streak do you think would improve your life the most?

    You need to shift your perspective from what day number you are on to the actual progress you have made in your life in that time. That is ultimately why we are quitting, we're not just chasing arbitrary numbers.

    You still see yourself as an addict

    How many days in a row have you brushed your teeth? Or washed your hair?

    99.9% of people do not know that, because doing those things are just a part of their identity.

    It is a similar story with abstaining from porn. Men who no longer see themselves as porn addicts do not count the days since their last relapse. It is not a part of who they are anymore, so why should they care about how many days ago they quit?

    Counting days can sometimes subconsciously teach your mind that you are still an addict. I'd recommend you meditate on exactly why you feel the need to count the days, what benefit does it really give you?

    It sets unrealistic expectations

    There's a lot of anecdotes out there from people about what happens when you hit certain days. The problem is, everyone's addiction is different. How quickly you make progress depends on how long you've watched porn, how often, and at what age you started.

    A guy who started watching porn at 11 years old and did so for 15 years daily probably won't see the same progress as someone who started at 18 and watched it for 5 years twice a week. And then there's the whole genetics thing.

    So stop thinking "on Day 30 I will feel more confident" or "on day 60 my social anxiety will be gone". Nobody really knows the trajectory of their recovery. Just take it one day at a time.
     
  2. Random Alex

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    Preaches why you shouldn't count days.
    Finishes with a 5 days counter signature.
     
    shame to speak and becomingreat like this.
    1. Counting days will tell us that, its ok to fail so that we can count again from day 1.
    2. Will put us in a loop of relapses and nofap days.
    3. Will give us a false belief that, its hard to pass day 30,60 and 90 but on reality it will be very easy, when we don't count days ( may be, who knows.,lol)
     
  3. I agree with not counting days, but I still set the counter when I relapse, because for me, it's just a matter of transparency and honesty during recovery.
    On this forum, it is natural to judge people based on their signature of how many days their "latest streak" has been. It's not a fair judgment, because, as Shogun pointed out, we have no idea about how the person is living their life.
    Counting days can become a competitive mindset, which isn't a good long term strategy.
     
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  4. Coub

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    That's a good thing... I'll never be cured from addiction. It's like a tattoo that fades with time but it will be always there... I broke habit to do it but I know if I do it once or twice it's a matter of time when I'll come back to it.

    I agree with rest though!
     
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  5. I agree, especially with the part about seeing oneself as an addict. And I think this is dangerous and not the right way to go about recovering from PMO. Truth be told, before I re-joined this community, I was relapsing 1-2 times per week and now I'm relapsing about 3 times per week. And I'm not the only one who can say they've had such an experience. Just the other day I was chatting with someone here who was complaining of the same phenomenon, for lack of better words.
     
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  7. Negan©

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    Im sorry but the title was so awesome that i just wanted to post my reply without going thru the benefits..
    I did it myself , forgot about the days ...when one is counting days , its implied in ones subconscious that its some sort of pleasure or good indulgence lr something very hard to get that one is abstaining from and you guessed it , the subconscious naturally wants to have it again..its human nature , u tell a person he cant and wont do drugs , hell think about having them , itll trigger a war inside him , i'll just try one drag , one joint and then its an addiction ...
    So its better if something is harming you and made a conscious decision to leave it , that you leave it for good , without counting days..
     
  8. Negan©

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    How are you bro ..your research and the links you provided me helped me a lot , did you put an end to the edging , howre u feeling ?
     
  9. Hey man. I've had no improvements unfortunately. I continue to relapse at a rate of about 3 times per week. It's sad to say but P is that one thing that gives me some kind of pleasurable feeling in my life because I don't really get that from anything else. I will have to dramatically change my lifestyle in order to start getting better and that will probably mean moving to a new place and starting over. Until then, I think I'm stuck in a cycle of symptoms and despair.

    I'm glad the resources I pointed you to were of some help. There's a lot of great information out there. I hope you're doing better than me these days. How's your progress?
     
  10. Jay.Rhone34

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    Yeah I stopped counting , it’s better that way
     
  11. MsteiN

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    Nice Text!
     
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  12. BrighterFuture

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    Counting days seems like a good idea at first, but in reality there isn't a real benefit gained on the long term, unless it motivates you and gives you a clear goal, then great! do it

    Personally I prefer to just improve myself and exercise rather than worry about reaching day I dunno, 1011010


    Brushing my teeth isn't part of my identity, it's a habit we commit to. But true I agree with you on this point.
     
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  13. kilimandzaro

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    Exactly. Good point.
     
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  14. Negan©

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    Bruh , of all the people present on these forums , to some i say man the fukk up , some i treat like an empathetic healer would , some i just downright scold , and then i myself relapsed coz of frustration ... among all of us , i think youve got a higher mindset , the lengths which you read , the things you say , youve been through so many stages , so much shit , im in no place to school you ...at this point im thinking if kopykat is relapsing 3 times per week , then its only okay if i relapse once per 10 days...its a war brother , youre a higher ranking soldier than me in this , figure it out , coz idk if anybody else here can....

    I went 70 days hardmode , my fatigue was improved by only 10-20% , brain fog was still a lot ,adhd , etc etc.. so one day i just sat , stared at a wall and rubbed the D till O...after 15-20 more days of hardmode , i watched a P video and to my surprise it felt gross , i didnt get hard to it , but there was this healthy urge i wanted to satisfy , i was curious , maybe uts just my subconscious fooling me , but i got quite hard ( like 80% ) by imagination alone , and then i did MO yesterday ( 2nd relapse in about 95-100 days hardmode ) , to imagination alone... , my brain has hardwired itself to hate P i guess...
    Its still a no deal for me coz i started this to heal the physical ailments , in an endeavour to gain that i have gained something else , MWs are back , i will abstain from MO for a lengthy period again , and i will keep on doing this until i get rid of the physical ailments...

    Good luck bro..
     
  15. Thanks for that, brother, it means a lot. I don't think I'm above anyone here but I'm glad you think what I've shared is able to help people. That's the goal. A lot of you are ahead of me in terms of progress with abstinence and you're encouraging others with your feats there just as much as I am with the information I'm able to pass around. I honestly wish I could get my mind right enough to go on the kind of streaks you've been able to have. That's impressive.

    One other thing I'll say here is that, like you, I'm also finding myself more and more disgusted by porn. I think what's helping me in this sense is all the research I've done on the industry and the people who essentially run and own it. Also, I know that pornographic content fucks with us in many more ways than are typically mentioned on forums like this. The garbage pacifies us, it emasculates us, it makes us easier to control, it renders us weak, it subjects us to degeneracy. I reject all of that. One thing I can be happy about is that I no longer have the super long edging sessions like I used to have. When I relapse now, I usually get it over with pretty quick compared to before.
     
  16. sh0gun

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    Is that all you have to offer?

    I keep it there for other peoples benefit. People are more likely to take advice from you when they see you with the success that they want.
     
  17. sh0gun

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    cheers buddy
     
  18. sh0gun

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    Your habits form a part of your identity in my opinion.
     
  19. sh0gun

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    The number is arbitrary at the end of the day. Judge yourself on the progress you've made in your life. I've seen some people hit 100+ days and then they relapse and realise they actually haven't made much progress in dealing with their problematic emotions.
     
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