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Self Control, Impulsiveness and Discipline

Discussion in 'Compulsive Sexual Behavior' started by Quotidian, Nov 14, 2022.

  1. Quotidian

    Quotidian Fapstronaut

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    It seems to me that my own inability to abstain from porn use is basically an impulse control disorder. This is recognised as a kind of disorder by the mental health profession (whereas 'sexual addiction' is not). I'm sure that my repeated return to porn use is due to poor impulse control - in fact, I know it is. An impulse will seize me, like an inner voice - 'go ahead, it will be great, you'll really enjoy it, it'll be worth the regret'. That's the voice I need to learn not to respond to, because it never is worth the regret.

    I've managed to maintain some good habits like a basic level of physical fitness through regular exercise, but still struggle with drinking and porn use. Now I'm late sixties, I'm realising what the term 'set in his ways' really means. :(

    The thing which is really hard for those of us who lack self-discipline is how to get started with it. Seems to me you have to have some in the first place in order to get started. Otherwise you'll tell yourself you're going to do something but then not do it.

    I've observed that my adult son always had a degree of self-control that I myself lacked, from the time he was a small child. (Different upbringing, I guess.) It seems an innate characteristic of his (like, age 34, he just completed his first marathon!) Whereas I've always been self-indulgent in a way that he's not. He's recommended the 'Atomic Habits' book, I really have to give that one a serious try.

    That's about all I wanted to say, I thought maybe spelling it out might help.
     
  2. Subbyhubby

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    Self control is 100% a learned skill, and can be learned at any point in life. Granted, probably harder as we get older.

    Here's what I do to get over the procrastination issues that stop me doing something I want to.

    1. Prepare ahead of time. Things like putting your clothes out ready if you're getting up early for something, have the shoes at the front door, a drink ready to go, etc. The more excuses you can remove from the equation the better. Make it easy to follow through.

    2. Start small and work up. Make your bed. When you do get up straighten the covers, put pillows back on etc. It's amazing the impact doing one thing will help you to then do another, and another. Live off the small successes.

    3. Cold showers. Cliché but it works if you do it right. It's not about conquering urges at this point. I stand in the shower with it on cold and talk to myself that's its cold, it's not going to be pleasant, I put my hand in the stream of water to acknowledge its cold. Turn around so your back is towards it, breath deeply but calmly for at least 30 seconds to let all those feelings sink in. Inhale, hold it and SLOWLY step back in to the water. Here's the hard part... relax and breath out SLOWLY. Accept the discomfort.


    You might only get 10 seconds to begin with but keep doing it and building up. Aim for at least 2mins. What you're doing is psychologically reinforcing that you might not want to do something but have the mental strength to do it anyway. That's where superpowers come from.
     
  3. Quotidian

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    Hey, great advice. Hadn't thought of it like that. I guess one of the consequences of today's lifestyle is that everything is 'comfortable and convenient', so you never have to deal with that kind of thing, it it would be healthy to be able to.
     
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  4. DTournesol

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    Since we've had this discussion already in another thread, I would urge you not to dismiss the existence and effects of sexual addiction. It's true that not everyone has the same levels of impulse control. And of course, in some practical sense, it's indeed the lack of impulse control that makes you return to porn. But most likely, the causation is reversed here. I can confidently say that one of the most serious problems everyone here has is their inability for self-control. Unfortunately, this often translates to other areas of life as well - besides porn use, as I'm sure you've experienced (e.g. binging on drinks, or food, or being easily irritable and angry, etc.) Do you feel you always had trouble with this? Even when you were young?

    There are several scientific studies, which you can find on YBOP site, which show that addictions can have detrimental effects on the prefrontal cortex (what they call hypofrontality), and how these are correlated to poor impulse control/self-regulation (e.g. https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/too...-your-brain-sensitization-and-hypofrontality/). This is not very surprising, as we train our brains to act on instant gratification, through easily accessible rewards (as porn). However, long-abstinence and recovery can help reverse a lot of these changes back to your normal baseline.

    There are several things we can do to improve our self-control, as already suggested. Having a schedule, as @Subbyhubby suggested, seems to be very helpful to regulate your behaviors and activities, as you don't have to rely so much on your will power, and can even increase your motivation. What's important here, is to set goals that are realistic, and which will give you back some kind of reward. As already said, starting small and building up is key. Another thing you could try is meditation (mindfulness). Meditation is by design a practice that helps you strengthen your attention and self-control. If you're interested in topics like these, I would suggest to have a look at the HealthyGamer channel on YouTube (in case you don't know it). The psychiatrist that runs it has some of the most brilliant advice on these topics.

    I'm glad to read that your son has a great self-control. One of the most robust findings in psychology is that kids exhibiting high levels of self-control are the ones that tend to have the most successful and happy lives (this is actually the best predictor, and has been tested already from the age of 3-4, with the marshmallow experiments). But I don't think we should despair, as this is not an innate property of ours. We just need to work hard towards a healthy way of life again. If we manage the addiction, the symptoms will eventually dissolve.
     
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  5. Quotidian

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    As a matter of fact, yes. Not at gross levels but at a petty scale. It took me years to quit smoking (although well and truly did). I'm aware of this kind of self-indulgent streak in my character. My mother was a lot like that. My wife is a very different character, much more disciplined - and the difference is reflected in our son, I think.

    I practiced meditation diligently for many years, but around the end of 2019 I moved my study and meditation space to another room and after that, had great difficulty settling back into it, and the routine fell away. For most of those years, I pursued meditation along Buddhist lines, sitting in the half-lotus on a zafu, but now I can't assume that pose any more without cramping up - age has something to do with it. I'm finding it hard to get back to it.

    Current challenge is, I realise I really do have to quit alcohol. I never drink to the point of intoxication but I tend to drink every day, and I'm aware it's impacting my health - blood sugar/pressure, the kinds of maladies that befall older men. I'm on the edge of Type II diabetes. My sensible, internal mind says it should be easy to abstain, but around 5:00pm every day, the habit literally drives me to go and get a beer. Need to kick it for a long period of time, not just 'cut down', as that never works.

    And hey, thanks for the advice, really appreciate it. I'm going to stick around this forum now and try and develop these disciplines.
     
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  6. DTournesol

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    That sounds harsh. But I'm glad you've won the fight against smoking!

    Did you find meditation to be helpful? (in the specific matter or overall). I'm trying to practice in a systematic way for few years now, but I haven't seen any great effects (maybe some increase in my self-control when I get angry).

    It seems that there is a general tendency to overindulge in substances. However, a low impulse control - whether 'more natural' in your case, or developed by addictions - may still be part of the story. Dealing with the practical aspects of a compulsion (i.e. the behaviors and the rituals associated with them), is most often the focus of these discussion (in terms of cognitive/behavioral/environmental tools). But I think it's also worth noticing that there is a personal aspect in all of these compulsions as well. Trying to figure out what was the role of these substances in your life and what made you maintain them can also be important in tackling this problem. For many of us, such compulsions were reinforced by the lack of healthier ways to regulate our emotional problems. So, in some sense, you can think of these substances as emotional management tools.

    Thanks for sharing
     
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    Definitely helped me with increasing a sense of equanimity. I also had some real epiphanies, early in the practice, the residue of which have stayed with me, but it's hard to maintain the practice, as I said.
     
  8. Quotidian

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    A bit of self-observation here. I'm at 10 days according to my sig (and I think that's right) but typically about now, cracks begin to appear in my resolution. Sure enough yesterday on a 100km drive, an erotic thought occured to me about a particular kind of imagery - not something I'd searched before. Of course it is so easy to then conjur up such an image using image search. And the 'voice' of this urge was quite vivid, urging me to go ahead. When I got home, I even did the search, and sure enough....but was then able to call off the hunt, so to speak, before things got out of hand. This is what I have to guard against - it starts with the thin end of the wedge - beginning with an image search and then escalating from there.
     
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  9. Quotidian

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    well, dammit, had to reset my counter. Restating: need to completely give up porn and alcohol, starting now.
     

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