And this is of course just YOUR opinion. But your ego tries to sell if it's a common fact. Of course, it's not. In fact you show you suffer from insecurity and inferiority to me. I would like to know about the relationship with your parents. You have been dominated a lot, but that's a guess. But anyways, I have my experiences and I guess they differ from yours. I hear a strong self-justification through your messages. One sign is your strong conviction that no therapist can help you and are a waste of money. Again, that was YOUR opinion. Reading your threads I see you just want to have sex as much as possible. People call that a sex addiction. You even encourage others to visit hookers what is for me one of the moral lowest things you can do. It seems that you are not able to commit to one girl you love. What shows me you have setious issues to resolve. I've seen it a hundred times here on nofap. Guys who started to give very wrong advices to others. They only projected their own issues on others. Only a few were able to stop looking at others and started their own journal to finally look in their own mirror and started their real recovery.
Mr Joe, someone is always gonna have a different view point in life, I can honestly say, I like this debate, I'll be the Villian, I can be the JOker to your Batman. It wasn't stupid advice. I never brought that up in the first place. Perhaps I was encouraging OP to go seek "dat" if that's what he chooses to do. I still stand on that shit... Annnd??? Yeah you using logic I give you daps on that, but what make your advice more valid than mine?? The shit you suggestion is so bogus.... pre historic dinosaur fossil advice. By the rate he is going that telling him. He'll be an 80 yr old man before he sees some p****y for the first time lmao Maybe SEX is not important to YOU. People who say sex isn't important is probably getting it regularly or have ED. I hope you don't fall to the later category because your wife/GF will leave you more potent man that can sling a good d**k. The way how you come off on your post makes me believe this has already happened to you LMAO. I don't believe in dates, marriages. We were not built to be monogamous creatures.Walter down the street hitting it for free for years, he never had to go on dates or "self improve" or being a relationship to get the V. Its men such as myself that's in HEAT that hasn't done the deed in YEARS, we just want to get our fuck on so we can move on with the rest of our lives. People like you make shit harder then what it has to be
Itsuki, is there no way you can find yourself a girlfriend? If you go with a prostitute then you’re going to absorb the lustful vibes of all those men who used her before you did, making your quest to let go of pmo even more difficult. Just sayin.
Prostitutes and porn is the lazy way to what you want and even then you’re only getting a fake pathetic little taste of it . The only true way to regular clean sex, if that’s what you really want is to improve yourself enough and build the confidence and ability to date a quality woman. The work it takes to talk the talk, walk the walk, talk to her, impress her, excite her, make her want you, navigate a relationship with skill, is the work you really have to put in. Plus you really should be getting married before considering having sex. That is what I did. Much safer
I'm pretty sure there is something you find within yourself that you feel insecure about. Don't go pointing the finger at other people insecurities when you have monsters in your closest. I grew up in a single parent household. I had to learn, is STILL learning how to be a MAN. I'm 30 years old. No male has ever show me any guidance or any influence growing up. You make it seem like I'm some type of sex maniac or fiend that wants to stick his willie in just any o'l thing. If you have been really reading my threads, skimming over them and interpreting what you want to comprehend you would know I haven't had sex in YEARS prior to that I had little to barely any sexual encounters at all. This is the highest my sex drive has ever been in the 30 years of me living. Of course I'm going to think about sex because as men we fantasize. These women prostitute themselves on Only Fans/Porn/Dating App so why should I feel bad about being a customer knowing what I am paying for??? You know what my pops always use to tell me? "Put me in coach" Yeah put me in, I want to fuck just like Walter/Jaquan/Enrique. They didn't have to go on multiple dates, be in a romantic relationship, alter they personality or do all of this self improvement B.S. to get some P****y You gonna have a tough time finding that in today's age. Not saying that cannot be done because anything is possible. You have to have an abundance mindset and focusing on the "ONE" because you will be disappointed will waste alot of time.
This should be a forum regarding the adverse effects of pmo and how to heal from it, not a religious or lifestyle forum. And by religious I'm not necessarily referring to god, but to this "movement" as well. Lots of people here suggest to live like a monk or to practice celibacy until marriage, which is totally nonsense as this is something related to our current society, not something written in our DNA. Until religion and monogamy, the men was polygamy and didn't suffer from pmo. Mankind evolved until these days with other different social ways of mating.
What little wisdom you have! Clearly, as you are above religion, you have failed to provide yourself an historical account of the idyll age of polygamy by reading the Old Testament. People fornicated goats, they raped little boys, they burned babies alive and then had sex with prostitutes in the public square. You will never convince me that the Hebrews were wrong to slaughter these evil peoples. It is perfectly clear that you have never lived in such a polygamous society, because if you had you would certainly be more fearful, and that you have no real understanding to speak of. It is cowardice to spit on the pursuit of righteousness in the name of your own gultiness. You have promised many women your love and then have left them abandoned and bitter. You have forced a woman to kill her unborn child. That the shame of these misdeeds fall on your shoulders, not mine. Mind, you are the one who brought up religion. I never forced my religion onto anyone.
I'm not hiding my insecurity. Read my 110 pages long journal. It describes all my insecurities pretty detailed. But by admitting them and showing them, I've grown a lot and not needing to hide my insecurities anymore has brought me some mature freedom. The tone in your messages gave me the strong feeling you're hiding your insecurites. That is of course your business, not mine. But I know it can really help someone if (s)he starts his/her own journal and work out their own vulnerabilities. To become open about the past and seek for connection between their education and their addictions. That helps much more than give answers in a firm, brave and bragging way, I see you do here. Thanks for sharing a bit of your story here. As I can see, your life was not really easy. Growing up without a father leaves a son with a huge inner emptiness. And then we try to fill this inner gap with all kind of stuff, that will never satisfy us. For some reason I indeed thought you was some sort of sex maniac. I was wrong so sorry for that false observation an happy to see you are not. But I still don't get it why you advice a man to visit a prostitute. For me that is one of the lowest things, morally seen, I can do to myself. I prefer to first get my life in order. Get rid of addictions, find the right help for me (over the years I found some very helping people, paid therapists, and peope who helped me for free, and that helped me tremendously). I would like to live in marriage where sexuality has its legal place. I believe that sex on its own never will bring satisfaction. But sex in a good steady mature relationship will give that satisfaction.
Itsuku is right, furthermore although many such practices were formerly very common including not just what he mentioned but also worldwide slavery was extremely common, having multiple wives, sexual abuse, treating people like animals, and tyrannical rule. So following our animal instincts is not the true path to be on. Might made right for most of our history yet we don’t follow that rule today. The Bible Learni it’s teachings of mercy and human equality found, yes right in the Old Testament, which teachings were literally revolutionary in it’s time, I mean read how they were to treat their neighbors, enemies, servants, wives etc. has so drastically influenced Western Civilization that we now have the standards that we do today. This in conjunction with Greek philosophy and Roman government structure. Not praising Greek and Roman institutions for their morality but they had their major contributions. So overall I don’t think regressing to a more primitive state is progress. Sexual transmutation is probably one of the highest and most enlightened forms of sexual progress ever seen.
Telling an addict, on a thread titled "I need sex so badly I cannot control it" that there is nothing wrong with getting his rocks off, even if he has to pay for, yes, is ABSOLUTELY a stupid thing to do. I'm guessing he came here for help because despite feeling like sex is a need, he knows its not what's best for him, and you tell him to go get sex, even if he has to pay for it. In what universe is that not a stupid thing to do?!?! In fact, stupid isn't even close to a strong enough word to describe telling an addict to engage their addiction at any cost. I'm not sure the English language even has one short of blatant obscenity. I have over 6 years of experience in fighting this addiction actively. I've talked with men and women who fight an addiction to lust many times. I've been to 12 step meetings and hundreds of CSAT therapy sessions. I've made amends to and asked for forgiveness from those I've wronged and taken inventory of resentments I have. I've made peace with my life and am working to help others do the same who want that as well. If you think telling someone to get sex at any cost is smarter than helping someone create a plan to fight this addiction to avoid engaging lust in any form they don't find acceptable for themselves, then why are you even here?!?! That may be, but he'll be light years ahead of people with your mentality in fighting this addiction. So while over the year he may have had a handful of resets or relapses, you'll have a hundred for every one of his. Wow, you're seriously dedicated to a stupid mentality on life, aren't you? Why do you think sex isn't important to me? Just because I'm telling you its not the most important thing in the universe? Of course you'd think that. Sex is important to me because its a way for me to connect with my wife intimately. Its not just a way for me to get off, which is almost as stupid as it is selfish. Well someone with your mentality on sex would think that because you simply aren't intelligent enough to comprehend anything else. You just aren't thoughtful enough of other people to consider that sex is more than just a release for you alone. But don't worry, I'm sure no one here expects you to be that thoughtful. Or intelligent. Again with the stupid mentality. Would it kill you to ease up on that stuff once in awhile?? No one cares what you believe in. People are here to ask for help and offer help with their addiction to lust. What knowledge AT ALL (if any!) do you know about who or what we were created to be? Well good for Walter. Why don't you go ask him to be your teacher and stop polluting this forum? If that's honestly all you want, then seriously....why are you on this forum? Go spread your seed and leave this forum to those who want more out of life! Only for people who don't want to genuinely fight lust addiction.
While erotic images have been around even in ancient cultures, ones that were polygamous and pagan, the porn we have today in it's current iteration didn't really take off until the 1970's, despite it starting in 1600s with erotic literature and then in the 1800s photos, videos, etc. Ghee I wonder why it didn't take off in the 1800s but did in the 1970's? Hmm what happend during the 60s-70 to cause such a shift? Basically, you can thank anti-religious spirited people like yourself for inventing and introducing pornography into our current culture and society. Yet despite the damage it's done, the anti-religious double down and say the problem is we're not liberated enough! No, we need more liberation!! No boundaries at all! I got to be free, I got to be me! Yet a lack of boundaries invites a lack of respect, which we have in spades nowadays. The same people saying we have a rape culture are also the same people who shamed religious people for teaching abstinence and self-control in schools, while they promoted casual sex, "birth"-control sans self-control, and planned unparenthood. Furthermore, PMO addiction as we can see impacts everyone regardless of their beliefs or world outlook. Hence why we have atheist, agnostic, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, and Jewish fapstronauts on this site. This means your blame of religion for pmo addiction is unfounded and had the technology existed back when you thought mankind was at its zenith, you would have still had pmo addicts.
Modern day polygamy means that some men get more sex than others, while other men get less . . . or none at all! Oh wait, that's not much different than the casual sex culture that many of us are living in
Religion should be personal, but surely it's totally unscientific. If it was for religion, we would still think that the Sun rotate around the Earth. A lot of people gets killed "for religion". This happened in the past (Crusades for example), and still continue to happens today "in the name of God". You should also consider all the religions, not only yours. Do you really think that an "omnipotent God" with infinite love that knows everything about us and can do anything needs to be praised by us or wants us to pray him? It's also too easy to think that if everything goes bad is due to us or faith, while if everything goes good it's "thanks to god", and if you can't explain something then it's a "dogma". Also, some religions says that you should have sex only for giving children, and condemn the use of condom because you're "wasting" potential children. Some religions are also State's law where women are oppressed, some religions also allows polygamy. Religions in the past were used to control people ("if you don't follow the rules, you're condemned to hell, while if you're a good person, you go to paradise", "if you don't do this, you go to hell!") and to explain inexplicable events ("I can't scientifically explain this with my current knowledge yet, so it's thanks to a god"). This was totally superseded by mens' law and science (which by definition is always "ongoing" and under discussion). What you're writing are already considered forbidden things in a lot of Countries in the world (by men's law)... even if during a War (even the ones happening currently around the world) it's quite common to hear about rapes and sexual abuse. You're free to do what you want, but if you're over 20, the only way to find a virgin girl is to probably search in a Church for women close to be nuns, otherwise the chances for you to die as a virgin are quite high (I'm also expecting you're against divorce...) Tbh, I never quoted you or referring to you with my previous message. I don't encourage polygamy or everything else. Only saying that we need to heal from PMO/PIED, and following a "religion's rule" is totally unrelated and useless with "our" problem, because PMO/PIED started to exists in these last decades due to massive use of porn, not because we're not following closely a religion. Prostitution is considered the "oldest job known to men", If this had led to PIED, humanity would have been extinct by now.. We're in 2024 and luckily we evolved, we're not at the levels we were 2000+ years ago. Regarding the abstinence from porn/sex for a certain period or amount of time, that's one of the ways to scientifically cure an addiction. More science and proven facts and less novel, please, and I'm still not referring directly to you, but to all those people here that suggest to become a monk or embrace religion and daily pray a god to cure porn addiction/pied.
There is nothing wrong with being a virgin. Adam Smith died a virgin, and he's the father of modern economics. His books were written 200+ years ago, yet there are still read today. Being a virgin doesn't mean you won't live a fulfilling life and do great things.
Well, the fact that he's the father of modern economics with books that are still read today doesn't mean anything about him being a "happy virgin". Many times, successful people in public are also very sad in private. Not to say that most (if not all) of us here will not be remembered by the world, so we won't even have this milestone.
Nothing wrong with being a virgin unless if you saving it for the right person or whatever religion you believe in. why do you think dudes with life long sentence in prison starts humping each other? We are sexual creatures how you think me, you or anybody else who made a post on this thread go here? It sure wasn't by being virgins. Being an involuntary virgin is what wrong. You got women who prostitute themselves on sites like only fans/dating sites but prostitution is not legalized? A girlfriend wife/ marrige dating etcc. is not achievable to some men yet you got lame ass dudes and weird woman who look down on dudes to go to prostitutes. Doesn't that sound backwards AF? Shit was all by design.
