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Are porn addicts sex addicts?

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by need4realchg, Sep 25, 2019.

are porn addicts sex addicts?

  1. Yes

    35.7%
  2. No

    57.1%
  3. I don’t know

    7.1%
  1. I have learned so much about this question since joining nofap this year.

    I have recently joined a a couple SA groups and after attending a few times I am generalizing not judging—but most people in them are porn addicts not sex addicts.

    When I see comments coming from SO’s here — their partners are usually porn addicts not sex addicts.

    I know 12 step is effective in dealing with any addiction so that includes sex addictions, just like AA or NA, but the behaviors are distinguishable.

    Do you know or see the difference ?
     
  2. Consider this:

    Guy A: This guy is married and so deep into porn that he is blasé with apathy for sex with his wife or anyone else. She reports he doesn’t want to sleep with her let alone communicate with her. He may have pied or Ed. He fantasizes lots but does little besides beat his meat.

    Guy B is single, watches porn in his spare time but consistently, and he does not have fulfilling relationships. He can find ONS, tinder, bar hookups, parties, or just cruise and pick up an escort.

    Guy A: Porn addict or sex addict?
    Guy B: Porn addict or sex addict ?
     
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  3. romeolima

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    It's just a facet of sex addiction. Like being a drug addict, everyone has their drug of choice.

    For many people they take the entry level drug, in this case porn, its easily available and semi-socially acceptable. A bit like weed, like many people on weed most of them you wouldn't notice in the street, very few are incapacitated by it.

    Some people move on from entry level drugs, chasing bigger highs etc. these are the people that move on to Cocaine and Heroin, or in SA terms to Escorts and dominatrix etc.

    Everyone's experience is different and everyone's reaction to that experience is different.

    So yes a porn addict is a sex addict.
     
  4. I understand. You believe eventually a porn addict will act out sexually, in a “escalating” path.

    How do you explain the men who never do?

    Factually speaking we get significant but smaller dopamine output from food than we get from sexual orgasm.
    This is measured and tracked in the ybop video from 2015....

    Can food could be a gateway drug to sex?

    I could say “food” is a gateway drug or aphrodisiac by that reasoning. (For some food does accompany many addictions—- because it creates 1/3 the level of dopamine produced in sexual orgasm). Ergo alcohol, smoking, and sex often combine together to give higher levels of dopamine. Each short-circuiting the prefrontal cortex.

    However Dopamine is not indicative of an addiction, but a desire or drive.
     
  5. Hros

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    Maybe because P is just easier and usually costs less or nothing at all?
     
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  6. romeolima

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    Not necessarily, many people do not progress beyond soft drugs.

    Perhaps alcohol would have been a better analogy, it is a drug, many people can use recreationally and it not cause them any issues, some are functioning alcoholics, some are out and out alcoholics.

    Porn could be any of these levels.

    Comparatively I would consider myself to the functional level of porn use, more than casual but not enough to have negatively affected my health and lifestyle. I read many stories on here where porn users have progressed beyond the functional stage.
     
  7. Get_It

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    guy A is a porn addict and B a sex addict.
     
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  8. Jonny1992

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    Well, I am not addicted to sex, i don’t have the craving to sleep with woman. I have the craving to watch porn and mastrubate, or the craving to visit cam sites and mastrubate with girls, but not a sex addiction! It is easy for me, not to have sex!

    so for me my porn addiction, is not a sex addiction! Because what you do in porn, I would never do in real life!
     
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  9. Even in the case of porn and masturbation, sexual organs are involved. Masturbation by definition is solo sex. The same bodily functions are used as in the case of 'real' sex with a partner. Masturbation isn't any less real, just because you are having sex in your head doesn't mean you aren't using your (real) sexual organ. So I voted 'yes' as well.
     
  10. Fascinating.

    So A virgin Can therefore declare although they have never had sex, they are a sex addict?

    According to your brain on porn the rat experiment where they connect the probe fit shows an addiction to the orgasm and ignoring the female rat.

    Could this be why porn addicts misidentify porn addiction as a sex addiction?

    Porn addicts aren’t having sex. They THINK they are —yes.

    Ask the SO— they know pa’s have less sex when their partners are porn addicts.
     
  11. I'd still say yes. Just because there's no 'real' vagina, doesn't mean it isn't replaced. The hand carries out the exact same function.
     
  12. I understand your thought process man.

    I respect your opinion a LOT here and want you to know that.

    I realize porn addiction itself still is gaining recognition— but all the more reason to allow it to stand on its own.
     
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  13. Get_It

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    Sex addicts seek out real life partners to get their fix. Porn addicts don't.
     
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  14. Addiction as definition is generally reserved for cases when individual inflicts significant harm to himself and or others by doing the activity and can not stop it despite recognizing these significant negative effects.
    Addiction is also reserved for describing someone who is actually unable to stop on his/her own and external intervention is needed.
    Given this definition, much more care should be given to use of the word addiction. It defines a person gripped by self destructive behavior and not being able to stop, unless someone intervenes, he/she will suffer significant psychological or physical damage or death.

    For this reason true "addicts" should seek external help, as they will never recover on their own, as definition suggests. And those who can recover on their own were never addicted, they were "abusing" and have not reached the point of becoming addicted.

    Everyone just wants to call everything an addiction, forgetting the harsh reality of what that term means.

    Given what I explained, how do you imagine sex addiction to unfold physically?
     
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  15. No, if I was addicted to sex I would no longer be a virgin.
     
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  16. romeolima

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    I think this echoes with my alcohol analogy above. I think I've said here in other places as well that I don't consider that I was ever addicted to porn but I certainly did abuse it.

    Sex Addiction as a title is like being a Drug Addict, it's too broad a title to really define someone's problems. In the same way that "Drugs" covers a wide range of vices, "Sex" in in broadest definition covers a wide range of vices, some solo but many by their very nature have to involve other people, and they could be willing participants or not (and I'm not talking about rape here but about people who unknowingly feed someone's addiction to particular acts.)

    If you say someone is a Sex Addict it's not really telling you what their issues are.
     
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  17. Great post. I want to increase the care with which addictions are mislabeled.

    In asking this I see you are subtly suggesting I’m guilty of this very thing. I may be in a sense if asking the question is really a leading question. But hanging out here in nofap i find many people have come here by their own accord and come to their own conclusions on not only their own sexual state of affairs but on how to qualify those around us. In doing so they have to ask and answer this question. Some like @romeolima think it’s all the same — “gateway” drug is porn he suggests.

    How does he know that? What lead him to understand it that way? His ideas are what I thought too at first but I think asking the question is necessary especially here.

    As soon as I posted this as problematic sexual behavior the mods relocated it to “porn addiction”. I bristle because they have some definition that they are working with —- is it the same as the empirical data ? I don’t know honestly but many people assume it’s all the same.

    Here’s why I disagree:

    I like your focus on the “inability” differentiates an abuser from an addict. How subjective is this designation?

    Aren’t we depending on the person to define themselves correctly ?

    So does the porn abuser/addicts misinformation lead to a misdiagnosis which lead to additional problems ?

    I would say so.
     
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