Attention: All threads pertaining to politics or current social issues now in obscure group

Well it's harder to see stuff in the groups. You have to navigate more to get to those forums.

 

Nothings perfect.

 

And then there is this: https://forum.nofap.com/index.php?threads/reminder-this-is-a-non-religious-forum.175302/

There is a lot of confused BS going on this forum. For example "PIED" still has no scientific background and on top of that people exchange all kinds of made up secular "self improvement" theories, which have no merit whatsoever. Yet, the more spiritual stuff grounded in thousands of years of tradition is banished. That's no accident.

Looking at my own history getting rid of porn for half a year in 2014 without the spiritual followup did nothing to improve my life (NoFap.com officially calls masturbation healthy, so I followed that guideline). It wasn't until after my conversion in 2017 that "hard mode" came up as a topic again and together with Christ it finally made a pretty astonishing difference.

 

I don’t know what you came to this site expecting but it’s Alex’s site and he’s expressed his desire to have it be a secular site. Despite this, he’s still provided a place for people to have spiritual and religious discussions even when he didn’t have to do that. Why can’t we just be grateful he’s spent his time and money to accommodate us?

What if it was your site and he came in saying you don’t have enough atheist representation on your forum? Why isn’t anyone allowing sections to discuss the hardships some religions and spiritualities have imposed on people who’ve looked at porn? Would you have accommodated him a space in your forums as he has for you?

 

@Augie I don't operate any forums and I wouldn't operate any excluding non-believers, as this wouldn't be a very Christian thing to do. (Anybody is actually allowed to visit a church and participate in service.)

It's just a sad thing seeing a new thread from a spiritually broken person with a clear need littered with all kind of new age, satanist and other nonscientific outright bullshit advice and want to a drop a "You sound like you want to have a look at the oldest, most translated and most printed book on this planet" and then realize, that it says something against fornication, so it's banished here.

 

I don’t think you understand the point of what I said. Lots of churches allow anyone to come in and participate in their services but only according to those churches beliefs/rules. I haven’t seen one church that’s allowed others to come in and make up their own services or allow them to have talks about the dangers of theism. That essentially is the type of accommodation Alexander has given non-secular members; that’s the point I’m making.

No one is banishing you from giving your own personal testimony when replying to other members. You’re more than welcome to share how your belief in Christ has helped you in your journey. The problem is most of us aren’t doing that, but instead we’re bickering about things as if this is a theology site and not a porn recovery site. And, yes, even I admit to being guilty of it.

 

Exactly. Christians may hate this but the founder of this site is an atheist! You want a religious forum? Go off and find one! Personally I'm fed up of Christians going on about Jesus being the answer to people's recovery. I tried the Jesus stuff and it did not help one bit!!! The church probably makes porn addiction worse!!! If I wanted Jesus I wouldn't come to this site!

 

Your post is full of hate. Jesus is the opposite of hate: Love.

When was the last time you looked at porn? Because that is Satan and he instills hate.

 

Rampant atheism is what got us here. Actually forcing the matter instead of giving people free choice would never had allowed this porn epidemic to exist. Of course, when certain topics are discriminated against, people naturally reach out by DM, but you can disable receiving those.

I can confirm from personal experience, that the advice you got was actually life-changing helpful for me, while all the secular tips I got turned out useless, so I lost five years. And the reason for this is obvious: The thing the AA recognized is: When fighting supernatural evil you cannot win with limited human abilities. Pretending that evil doesn't exist doesn't make it go away.

 

I’m glad I don’t live in a society where things are forced upon me. If you look at porn purchases in the USA, the most active places of porn use are in apparent “religious” areas. Being forced to believe in Christ or another deity does nothing.

 

That's nice. My society got porn forced on it since 1963.

 

And forcing religion isn’t much better, as we saw through history.

 

In retrospective it's much better.

 

I don't agree with badgering people, but I really don't think you can say the advice you got wasn't helpful if you clearly haven't tried it. I mean, you don't believe in God, so you obviously haven't tried actually pursuing a relationship with Him and casting your cares upon the Lord. So... you can't say that advice is bad or unhelpful if you refuse to try it.

Nobody can force you, or anyone else, to believe in God and accept Jesus as their Savior. But it will 100% change your life if you do accept him with a genuine heart. That's just true. And you can't say it isn't when you haven't done it. You can say that you aren't interested in doing that, but you can't claim that it wouldn't change your life.

 

@wwtl Give it a rest, man. I'm looking through your post history and it's all satans and bibles and jesuses and atheists.
@Castielle Do you believe in Allah and have you accepted Muhammad as your final prophet?

 

That's not at all equivalent to believing in God and accepting Jesus as your savior. The historical evidence for the Bible is there. The Quran is just a book some dude wrote by himself. They are not even close to being equivalent, and anyone who has studied religion would know that. You don't even have to be a Christian to know that.

But I'm not going to get into that debate here.

 

Well, a Muslim would say the opposite. And she would have the exact same amount of non-evidence for it as you do. But that wasn't my point.

I just wanted you to see how fucking annoying is it to be preached at 24/7. Yes, I heard the good news. About four hundred more times than I asked for in fact.

 

No, they would not have the same amount of evidence. If they did, I wouldn't be a Christian. That's kind of the point.

Yeah, I'm well aware of the point you were trying to make. But you make it from complete ignorance of the history of these religions. You didn't make a point. You think you did, but all you did was make an unsubstantiated claim that is easily disproven with just an ounce of study into the historical validity of various religions.

Sorry you feel that way. I don't find it annoying. If a Muslim person cares about me and thinks that what I need in my life is their religion, I am grateful they care enough to share that with me. Just because I don't agree doesn't mean I have to be mad at them for it. They're simply trying to be helpful, and that's loving.

In fact, I used to have a very close friend here on these forums who was Muslim. We shared our respective religious views with each other all the time, and we were both respectful about it and recognized that we cared for each other and wanted the best for each other.

Shoving religion down someone's throat or badgering them (which I already just said I don't agree with), on the other hand, is not loving, and is indeed annoying at times.

 

See, what just happened here is a prime example for why certain topics are now in the group section. There
is a lot of passion from both sides and it just turns into an argument rather than a constructive discussion.

Let’s just end on the common ground that none of us want to be badgered repeatedly about things we don’t want to talk about or believe.

Group hug!

 

I mean, I thought my responses were pretty constructive, but sure, I agree that badgering people isn't useful.