Can Masturbation help YOU rewire? An insight into my plan.

If it works for you, then great. I'm interested to hear more after you're done watching porn. Since that's what we try to do here.


NoFap is not (and has never been) an anti-masturbation website.
NoFap is not (and has never been) an anti-masturbation website.

 

Yes, and you are obviously an intelligent person with a well-thought opinion.

The only issue is that in the addiction to porn, there are two main problems;

- loss of self-control or compulsivity
- a distortion of thinking. a complete reboot is necessary to clear out the dopamine

 

You are right: it is the opioids that dopamine stimulates that destroys the brain.

I guess my main issue with the "reward" system is that it's a bad model.

I just think it is better to work for something without the constant impending reward chasing.

The reason is because most things in life that have value take a lot of time and effort.

So if someone just works for a few days, then uses PMO for a reward, their tendency is to give up.

That's bad because they haven't made any notable progress yet.

Just my perspective.

I hear this a lot on here. Why don't you complete a hard mode 90 day reboot,

if your life is so perfect and PMO doesn't affect you?

 

It's challenging, but you will profit beyond the suffering.

 

this is one of the better threads for sure....
M is not "bad", but P is BAD! I think everyone agrees there.
But as far as the use of M goes, it's obviously different for everyone. A program that uses M to abstain from P may very well work for some of us. The problem though is where is your mind when using M?
For me personally I have to fantasize about certain perverted fetishes when using M, so for me, it's not really an option. P, M and O are all problems for me unfortunately, but I think a recovery program that uses M could be helpful for people who have active sex lives.
By the way the Semen Retention Monk Mode can have serious Spiritual benefits, but I realize that most people on the forum aren't on that path.

 

What about people who flatlining after orgasm from sex.

 

I think watching porn extensively drop too much dopamine compared to normal activities such as playing videogames, listening to music, watching TV, working out etc ... But not comparable as doing drugs....

 

I believe it's possible to M without fantasize, but is it worth it? I'm not an expert so I hate to talk about the biological stuff, but I reckon my seeds weren't meant to end up in a tissue or a tennis sock. The same way I wasn't build to see hundreds of vaginas before lunch time on a Sunday morning.

The real problem I see with this plan is this. How do you decide when and how much to M? We are used to doing it every day or multiple times a day. Addiction. Now most of us are trying to give it up altogether. NoFap.If you're going rouge somewhere between, you will have to come up with a system that doesn't exist yet.

* Do you M once a week? Ok.
* What if you don't feel like doing it, do you still do it every week?
* What if you feel like doing it before the week is over?

I wouldn't want to go down this road. You can't just break the rules before you've mastered them. If someone who's done hundreds of days of no PMO comes up with a solid system that would be awesome. But then again, that would be his way, not something that works for everyone.

Is there many success stories where someone after a long streak went back to casual M and didn't end up back to the square one? I don't remember seeing that kind of posts.

 

You might consider completing a hard mode 90 day reboot. The main goal, imho, is to abstain from any type of sexual thoughts or behaviors, at least for that period.

The benefit is to transform that bad sexual energy into a better you - mentally and physically.

 

Yeah, it's sad that some of us like myself are so fucked up sexually that we must abstain completely. But there is a life beyond sex, beyond the dual nature of existence, where everything becomes the One. This is the Spiritual path, but it also rejects the human created matrix and leads back to Nature. This path requires one to desire "no-desire" but opens the mind to mystic union. Ultimately we all face death, for some of us sooner rather than later, but if we have broken through the life-death cycle then it doesn't matter because it's all just one continuum.
So, complete abstinence is not the end of the world...it may even lead to something far greater than the bullshit you have to deal with in human relations, especially human sexual relations.
If you only do sex with a person and nothing else, it's shallow, but if you have an emotional connection, then it gets complicated...either way you approach the problem of sex, it's exactly that: a problem.
Methinks I will choose the Spiritual path...

 

It's a blessing.

 

How it's a blessing???
I've tried to pmo moderately when I seem to be better and I got big withdrawal symptoms in return.

 

Because you had consequences that made you want to change.

My suggestion is to start a hard mode 90 day reboot.

Bring to completion the better you.

 

I'm not either. I used to be but it didn't help me. I'm still trying to figure out what's the best way to approach this. My goal isn't to stay away from porn or masturbation, it's to be healthy and I'm still trying to figure out what that looks like.

 

I would agree with you. In my personal opinion, masturabation was not my problem. Porn is not even my problem. Something about my mind triggers an obsession that, over a period of time, my will power is unable to resist. Then the relapse, then the remorse, then the plan to change, then it happens all over again. Understanding that has given more insight and explanation into my actions. My mind and will power are the problem, how do I address this? Theres no right or wrong, or good or bad about it. Just my thoughts.

Great quote BTW.