Fuck games no more!

That's pears and apples right there
You cannot put together two kids playing in the backyard with a guy sitting alone, following fake goals and obtaining fake rewards, and dopamine, in each combat, each new item, each partially complete quest and fully completed quest, you see it as a soft landing, I disagree, I see it as a different equivalent in dangerouses addiction, that appeals to another very primal need, that it's perhaps even more important than the sexual need, the need for a goal or a purpose.

So no, not a soft landing at all...

 

I get what you are trying to say here but I think its as others have said; a lot of games are literally designed to be addictive and act as a similar dopamine trap to porn. As bad as porn? Well I personally would not say so, but my experience is not everyone's. I can only speak for myself when I say that binging videogames day in day out as a way of filling my days with something ultimately made me miserable, almost as miserable as heavy porn use did. Once I started to take control away from these crutches, my life improved. I still play games a lot, but on my own terms, I dont allow myself to become addicted like I used to.

 

The only key difference is the physical part of it, in term of neurochemical damage is the same deal, and we need to be just as wary as we try to be with porn usage.

 

but it's an addiction you have to work hard to obtain.
in porn, you see 1 picture and boom - the brain is hooked, in games, you need to work, think, use tactics, and overall USE your brain.

in porn, there is a very dangerous thing that might happened - hyper-sensetivity of the brain towards porn (as Garry wilson said: ''everything is kind of boring, but porn is super exciting'')

games helps to shift the attention from focusing on porn, and confuse the brain to be addicitve to many things (gold coins, perks, trinkets, ranks) - and in that way the brain is not focused on 1 type of drug.

also, the games are much more like real life than porn: in games, you need to work to gain something, in porn you don't work on anything, you just get it.

what would you prefer - heroin without effort, or heroin after you have workout for 10 hours ?

 

no game, whatever good he is, can ever reach the level of the nude picture.

the human brain will never allow anything to be more interesting than a nude female.

 

Gaming disorder is literally a thing in the ICD-11. You can't just trade one addiction for another. Hell, even porn addiction isn't even officially recognized. There are healthy ways and unhealthy ways of coping with quitting porn. And you aren't even considering the possibility that some people have a worse problem with games than they do with porn.

Bad argument. You could use that to defend sex addiction, food addiction, any addiction really. Obviously entertainment is important but if you're doing it in an unhealthy way it kind of kills the point, doesn't it?

 

let's put it like this, if i am a cocaine addict, i would prefer to go this path:
cocaine addict. (hard dopamine drug)
porn addict.(hard dopamine drug, i need to work a bit to get it)
game addict (medium dopamine drug, i need to work to get it)
work addict. (medium dopamine drug, i need to work hard at a real job to get it)
normal person.

you would rather jump like this:
cocaine addict.
normal person.

in theory you sound better than me. in practice i think long term my solution will work for a lot more people.

 

Now that im on lockdown i can say games deffinitely have a very big positive impact on my mood

The secret is not being addicted to it, and im not what i really like is lifting and fighting because i cant do that i plsy videogames and do other things

 

Dude, it's not a hierarchy. I have wasted more time on games than I have with porn, so for me games are worse. For other people, porn is worse. And if you want to say "quitting cold turkey doesn't work" which you seem to be implying, try telling that to all the people who quit cold turkey and succeeded. It's different for each person, you can't just say that one method or one addiction is objectively better or worse.

 

dude, i am all in for cold turkey, if it works ? why not *shrugg*.
but let me ask you a question: how do they get their dopamine from ? after all, they can't live in a vaccum, anyone needs dopamine...

you can't just say no to all kind of dopamine at once...

 

You don't run out of dopamine, the brain is always producing it, and you can get dopamine rewards from tons of different activities. Sure there is an initial withdrawal period, but eventually healthy rewarding activities will need to replace unhealthy rewarding activities. Trading an unhealthy activity for another unhealthy one isn't solving the problem of addiction.

 

ouh yeah, super real like..., do you know that the longer the time invested the bigger the dopamine release? that argument literally is like shooting yourself in the foot.

Word, my record was something like 16h gaming non-stop. And like 4-6h on average per day.

Wrooong, there is something bigger than sex, and it's purpose, also tell that to all the basement rat dwellers with freaking pillow with cartoon women lmao.

Hmmmm let me guess, protein rich foods? meaningful socialization? exercise? goal accomplishment in their careers and so on?

 

Yeah thanks for the reminder, I'll edit out the curse words. I'm done though. Good mod.

Peace.

 

While im playing FIFA im not thinking about fucking quarenteen when it ends, fuck i got urges or any of that, jjst focus on score!

 

you know what ? maybe you are all right - maybe if i jump this leap of faith, i will find a dopamine hook that isn't gaming and will hold me tight.

but it's a very dangerous leap of faith - i have depended on games and TV series as a soft landing from porn, because the dopamine withdraw after orgasm was feeling very depressing, and i had to keep up moral for myself, because i can fight for years, but if i lose the moral ? than it's a '' game over'' my friends... and i will surrender to porn and will see it as a norm - and that's a risk i am unwilling to take

(and i totally agree - games waste 10X more time than porn. games are not harming to the brain, but they are very harmful to your time.)

so what you say might be true - but i will need a lot more evidence and data before i will try a real cold turkey without soft landings.

 

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Lmao ok I YIELD!

Find productive soft landing, growth-focus soft landing, c'mon I have a friend that the guy gets grumpier than I do when I don't have my fix when he doesn't have his, and his fix is weightlifting, followed by a cup of tea talking to someone if not in person at least on the phone.

I mean if you are going to be gaming at least stream it or youtube it and try to play the new era lottery at least, don't waste your brain and time for nothing.

 

so you say that a cup of tea is enough, and that's about it ?

i don't think you understand how dangerous it is for me to be left so in the open without any real tools, give me some real data about cold turkeys without softlandings...

 

By the way, it doesn't work like that, again time invested plays a big factor, trust me, when I recently finished a 3month long project at work in wich I spent the last 3 months 8 hours a day 5 days a week, working to finish it, it was as rewarding as a good wank, if not more, because it didn't vanish a few hours later, it remained for a couple of good days.

You got it wrong, there are easy things, with high reward, and hard things with equal or even higher rewards.