If only women know....

Or it could just be that workplace harassment laws and policies were first drafted at a time (not that long ago) when most women in the workplace were either secretaries or recent graduates and virtually all bosses were male.

But guess what? That's not the case anymore, and there are more and more women on top every year. I think it's time we rethink stereotypes accordingly.

If the secretary wears a low cut top, of course the CEO shouldn't walk over to her desk and leer. But what if the CEO is the one wearing a low cut top and she's walking around bending over her subordinates desks? What if it is a teacher doing this to her students? Isn't that harassment, too?

I have children of both genders. Things have changed a lot from when I was a kid, and I am afraid that young boys born in the last two decades are destined to live their whole lives growing up in an all-of-the-Kardashians are billionaires reality, but with their actions analyzed through the lens of "Mad Men" era stereotypes.

 

I get you man. What I meant is the nature state for both genders, but I think that porn has a lot of relations to kids harrasments, or even responsible women.

 

The worst is that the popular fashion industry is rigged for that pacified debauchery. So they are just pawns in the devil worshippers game. Kinsey, Marx, Alinski, Pike, you name it.

A woman who reveals herself breaks her mystery.

Decent Christian dresses would be far more genuinely attractive for them, period.

 

And if you dress with the attire of a harlot, don't get mad at reaping the consequences.

Same goes for men.

 

No consideration for kids even that might get caught in destructive fantasies at that immoral sight bombarded to them in that perverted social construct.

 

Because nowadays kids are sexualized by that evil fashion too, and that's sick! Protect yourselves people.

 

Devil worshippers have weaponized every societal element against us currently downhere in that modern fakery. Women's and men's popular clothing is only one of them. Every piece of the Luciferian Antichrist low-key blueprint is on it too. Always trying to steal our pure joy of really living through all that distraction that almost seem mandatory with silly stupid instigated peer pressure. Schools teach you you're nothing but a dust in nowhere and so your life doesn't matter and you came from animal so you're an animal and then they sell you condoms and pills that only feeds and digs deeper the debauchery destructive trap being rationalized and pacified in that psychological operation for the Satanic playground you're not really part of but have been tricked into choosing a wrong way to it over and over through various corrupted institutions and trends.

But HAVING A CLEAR CONSCIENCE IS PROBABLY THE BEST JOY THERE IS. They want to steal that ability from you, keep it up.

 

Ginny, first thank you for the reply. I trust that you are trying to help.

Let's start with the end of your comment because that is where we are in complete agreement:

Blaming other people for your problems gets you nowhere. You can absolutely learn to conquer PMO. And I would even add that you can do so regardless of what anybody else does.

Where I believe we disagree is that I don't perceive my position in this matter as blaming others. There is a difference between not blaming other people for your problems and simply failing to assert yourself in pursuit of your goals.

Straight and bi men who wish to abstain from cheating on our wives, including PMO, need to learn it is okay to say "NO!" to women. Abstaining from PMO is refusing to see women dressed inappropriately. No, I do not want to see your body. No, I don't want to click your pics. If you are in a offline location where I am required to be I must insist you follow the dress code. And I must not compromise.

What if you disagree with the dress code? That you are just edging the line. That is not my problem. I do not always feel like just a little bit of PMO would be harmful, in fact, I rarely feel like it would be. But I abstain anyways. Again, I must not compromise.

If a woman's response to this refusal is to accuse me of misogyny, or presume that I secretly do want to see her body, theorize that I am somehow planning to run off and PMO the second she is out of eyesight. Well, quite frankly she is simply wrong. I'm going to control myself no matter what she does.

But what I will not do is compromise with her. If she is insisting on showing me her body in a way that might make my wife jealous she will not have my consent, my cooperation, or my approval. If I gave that I have already PMO'd.

 

this debate reminds me of this

 

Well the P in PMO means porn so PMO is abstaining from porn, and although I do agree that men libido is extremely strong, you kind of need to have some self realization about how your acting, that's one way on how to recover. You can't really blame someone on how they are wearing something, that's their choice (unless your wearing extremely old clothing made of mercury then yes your physical and mental health can be damaged and you shouldn't wear that.) However, I don't think you can walk around like a bloody harlot, not just because it arouses men but also because people will look at that person and think that it's normal to walk around like that and therefore more people will walk around with that style, it doesn't just arouse people but it just makes people sick in general, people like tranquility, they don't like people wearing that. It haunts them.

 

I don't think he is trying to blame women for his actions when being triggered visually. But the state of being visually triggered isn't a choice or voluntary action. Seeing a woman's physical features that signal fertility will be recognized by the brain as a signal to physically prepare the male body for sex. It will require self-discipline to act against that triggered natural instinct (for example by focusing one's attention away from the trigger, visually and mentally). Of course, doing that is possible, and the more it is trained, the easier it will be. But being forced into a state where one has to make (to whatever extent) an extra mental + physical effort to act self-control and self-discipline against something that was designed as a rewarding experience by nature, should be recognized as taking away from that individual's momentary happiness/comfort. If I am on a strict diet and go to a restaurant with my friend who orders a double cheeseburger while I sit in front of my salad after 5 days of eating salad, I will not be happy. Of course, I am not expecting my friend not to eat what they want, let alone blame them for my unhappiness. But it is fair to acknowledge my unhappiness/discomfort caused by my friend eating a cheeseburger (which is not the same as blaming them for their food choice).

 

Thank you Angel. I was getting rather frustrated with this thread. It is nice to feel understood.

Also, thank you for phrasing this with the qualifier that I am not trying to blame women for my actions. Because, yes, I do have to admit that I am blaming women for their choices.

You know why?

Perhaps people missed the hint that I am a father. My daughters will be teenagers soon. A substantial portion of my (and my wife's) morning is already spent arguing about clothing choices. This is about you needing to wear clothes, not how boys will react. And yes, the boys have a dress code too (and I have to argue with my son about it).

From my point of view, a woman trying to change the subject from dress codes to talking about how boys don't need to run off and PMO, or whatever nonsense, sounds a lot like a grounded teenager trying to blame her problem on someone else.

 

Classic EXPONENTIALLY

 

It's no ones place to tell anyone what to wear. I'm porn free for 43 days wouldnt mind seeing a sly bit of tit out in the streets.

 

Could be most of those women are on hormone birth control pills and are attracted to men with low T and are safe since their bodies think they are pregnant .

 

Why feel awkward just use the feeling and direct it line it with your goals it's just energy energy has no though but you as a thinking human do . I love when women dress up and present them self's it gets my heart pumping it's better than coffee . To be honest though it would take me awhile to get accustomed to the way women dress in Latin America .