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Life alone, Love alone

Discussion in 'Loneliness' started by Buddhabro2.0, Nov 17, 2021.

  1. Amy Li

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    My friend, being alone is not suffering, I think it is just time for you to do self-cultivation in your life. That is cultivate good merit and virtue for yourself, if you want to be cared for and loved, you care and love other people first. What you give is what you receive. I am glad you make progress in self-improvement.

    Actually, you never be alone even if you feel lonely, you will always have your type categories of people, in this world, every one of us is very deeply connected, even some people think " I am different with you" , "people and people are independent", but in fact no matter how far we are, how different we are, we originally all come from one root, the relation between us is co-exist, but not separated and isolated. You are actually never being isolated on this earth. we are living relying on each other, we are together in one, and we have a very very deep connection. What I did today effect you in an unobvious way, and what happened to you also effect me even we don't know each other. And in some way, I am you, and you are me. For all other people, we are the same.

    That is why I think you need to start to cultivate now, stop doing immoral things and take actions, if you become a better person even if you are very small but still affect the whole world then this world will become better, and you will receive love, joy, peace, and lots of more happiness, in both physical and psychological world.

    I want to tell you more about how to cultivate, which is very important for every one of us, I don't have time now... if you read my reply hope you can respond, I would like to know what you think about my post.. thank you!
     
  2. Buddhabro2.0

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    Thank you for your thoughtful post to this thread.
    I have always tried to cultivate a good life and relationship with others.
    I’ve been a good person and think I deserved better than what I got.
    I have no problem with myself and just wish that things would have worked out better.
    Now that I have overcome my addiction to pmo and survived a lifetime of mistreatment, neglect, and abuse, I’m good. In fact, I’m confident that I am better than most. lol
    I am blessed <3
     
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  3. black_coyote

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    Solidarity. Respect. Love

    Congratulations for breaking free from addiction to crap!

    Pain, loss, regret and backstabbing - the wounds take time to heal...the memories that lay bare like stones within the recess of our chests..heavy, damping, pulling us back...

    Maybe it takes a sense of alchemy to come out of it..like masters did, like Jesus did, like Buddha did. Alas! I too, like most, are wounded by the experiences of past, sometimes pushing past pain, sometimes succumbing to it- trying to grasp this alchemy that made the Masters pray for their killers and conspirators...

    Nevertheless, I'd say that you must spend atleast a day to marvel at the night skies, the beautiful sunrise and sunsets, the whisper of tress, the smell of green meadows, the silence of dawn, the trickle of streams...life is too short, who knows when our time will come...for all the time we are alive, let's make sure we walk through this place in such a way that we meet our last with nothing but gratitude in our lips.

    Wish you strength :)
     
  4. I haven't been with a woman since 2019. Very rare to have convo with people. I work alone, there's no coworkers or boss. Small family which is fragmented, mostly estranged.

    But I'm not lonely! I'm used to it. I don't depend on people socially.
     
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  5. Buddhabro2.0

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    Two days ago, I felt like my libido was returning, but it didn’t last.
    The short lived feeling gave me hope, that maybe recovery would be possible, and that going through with a dopamine detox might be worth it.
    I’m down, but I’m not out. Praying for a miracle is what my reboot is all about.
     
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  6. Buddhabro2.0

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    I’m very thankful for your kind words and support today. I pray for better days ahead.
     
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  7. Buddhabro2.0

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    While this is directed at people under the Gemini sign, I thought this would be helpful to anyone who is lonely and struggling to put romance into their lives.

    Horoscopes by Rob Brezsny


    Week of February 23rd, 2023


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    ♊ GEMINI
    (May 21-June 20)
    I think we can all agree that it’s really fun to fall in love. Those times when we feel a thrilling infatuation welling up within us are among the most pleasurable of all human experiences. Wouldn’t it be great if we could do it over and over again as the years go by? Just keep getting bowled over by fresh immersions in swooning adoration? Maybe we could drum up two or three bouts of mad love explosions every year. But alas, giving in to such a temptation might make it hard to build intimacy and trust with a committed, long-term partner. Here’s a possible alternative: Instead of getting smitten with an endless series of new paramours, we could get swept away by novel teachings, revelatory meditations, lovable animals, sublime art or music, amazing landscapes or sanctuaries, and exhilarating adventures. I hope you will be doing that in the coming weeks, Gemini.

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  8. Buddhabro2.0

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    I need to learn to forgive and forget all the difficulties, disappointments, and heartbreaks.
    In order to deal with the weight of my sorrow and depression, I have always been drawn to comedy and laughter as a way to alleviate the pain and stress of life.
    I’m a strong believer in the old adage that laughter is the best medicine.
    The irony and absurdity of life would be unbearable, if not for my ability to laugh things off.
    A good sense of humor is definitely one of the most attractive qualities one can possess. There’s nothing better than being able to laugh with others or a special someone.
    Being able to laugh at oneself can go a long way towards helping people deal with difficult circumstances.
    I suggest that instead of looking for love, it’d be better to look for happiness through the joy of laughter.
    Don’t worry; be happy <3
     
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  9. Don80

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    There's no other way. You either laugh or are depressed. It's easy to fall victim to negative narrative. But, on second thought, it doesn't serve any purpose. Stay strong and healthy, Buddha!
     
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  10. Buddhabro2.0

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    My streak is long, but my progress in recovery is slow.
    Tonight, my feelings of loneliness are pronounced.
    Replaying the day, I can tell you that depriving myself of the opportunity to meditate hurts my peace of mind and thus, my physical wellbeing.
    The feelings of loneliness don’t come from being alone, but rather from an emotional disturbance that is not relevant to my current situation.
    I don’t know any better way to fix it other than meditation: surrender, acceptance, and release…breathe, and repeat.
    Nam myoho renge kyo
     
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  11. Extinguish

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    Antidotes to Craving, transcript.


    Every evening at sunset, the Buddha has you remind yourself: “This could be your last sunset. You might go tonight. Are you ready to go?” Then you look into your mind. If you see that there’s anything in there that would pull you back, make it difficult to go well, work on that. So look into you mind. What do you have here?

    There’s another place where the Buddha said that when you go from this body to another body, you cling to craving. You often hear about clinging to the five aggregates. But here he said you’re clinging to craving—the craving that led to the clinging to begin with. You turn around and hold on to that. That’s what pulls you along. So you look at the kind of cravings you might have at that point, and three big ones stand out—the ones that the Buddha said are the cause for suffering: craving for sensuality, craving for becoming, craving for non-becoming.

    Craving for sensuality usually comes from our attachment to our sensual pleasures and our fascination with thinking about sensual pleasures. At the moment of death, of course, you’ll be pulled back to pleasures of the past. There can be a lot of nostalgia. You miss this, you miss that—this person, that situation. And it’s painful. As the Buddha said, you’ve got to see the drawbacks of sensuality. You could come back and have those pleasures again. But many times, the particulars of the pleasures that you really enjoyed are gone forever. I notice every time I go back to Thailand how much things have changed, and I keep thinking, “Where is the Thailand I used to know?” Yesterday someone sent me the transcription of the talk I gave about the old woman who died a few weeks ago at the age of a hundred. I started thinking about the way we lived back in those days when I first met her and her family—how simple life in the countryside was. Although there were hardships, still there’s a lot to get nostalgic about. And if you let yourself get nostalgic, it’s painful. As the Buddha said, you have to develop lack of nostalgia, analayo, for your cravings. So if you see anything come up—that you wish you could have this back again, or that back again, or you start going for sensuality that might be better, saying, “the things I wish I had that I never got this time”—you’ve got to learn how to let it go. Remind yourself of all the work that goes into that. Ajaan Fuang had a good contemplation for that. He says the sensual pleasures that you really long for are ones you’ve had before. You long for them because you miss them. Think about that. You miss them, so you try to get them again. And then, of course, you’re going to lose them again, and you’re going to miss them again. He says if you think about this, it’s enough to make you want to go for release. So learn to think in that way. All the particulars you go for: You’re going to have to lose them again and again and again. And you have to ask yourself: When will you have had enough?
    Because pleasures of this sort never really give satisfaction. There’s always something lacking.

    There’s a spot in the North Rim of the Grand Canyon, a meadow that I really like. Last year, I was there at the North Rim, so I took a hike, got to the meadow, and had given myself a certain amount of time. Then I was going to have to turn around and go back. I got there and I realized I had only ten minutes for the meadow. My first thought as I sat down was, “I hope I can come here again.” I hadn’t even been there for a minute and already I was thinking about the next time. That’s what you’ve got to watch out for: the thoughts that say, “I’d like to have that again.” Or, again, as I said, there are pleasures that you missed. You say, “Next time around, I’d like to come back for that pleasure”: beauty, wealth, power, anything that has to do with the senses. Your nostalgia for it, or your disappointment that you didn’t get it this time and you’d like to try it again: That’s going to pull you back, and it’s going to pull you down. So see the drawbacks of sensuality. Think of all the work that has to go into it, and then it’s just going to slip through your fingers.

    All too often, in gaining sensual pleasures, we end up doing unskillful things either to get them or to keep them. And they still go through our fingers, and we’re left holding nothing but the karma. That’s one form of craving you’ve got to watch out for. If you find yourself clinging to it, you’ve got to learn how to pry loose the fingers of the mind. They keep wanting to hold on.

    Then there’s craving for becoming. You think about the different things you didn’t get to do or be in this lifetime, and you say, “I’d like to take on that identity.” This was a topic of discussion I had many times with some of the farmers back in Thailand. I’d try to get them to meditate. They’d say, “We’re in no great a hurry to meditate right now. We want to make merit, be generous, so we can come back wealthy next time.” One of the advantages of being a monk is that you meet members of all levels of society. You meet wealthy people and you begin to realize: They suffer, too. They suffer in a different way from the poor people, but they suffer. People with power suffer. I knew a monk in Thailand who had psychic powers for a while, and 2 he was not very circumspect in how he showed them off, so he attracted some very high-ranking government officials. They would come to him and complain about one another, basically—their opponents or rivals in trying to govern the country. And he told me one time, “It’s like talking to four-year-olds, talking to these people: the resentments, the feuds, the desires for revenge.”

    So poor people suffer the way poor people suffer. Rich people suffer the way rich people suffer. Devas have their suffering. Everywhere you can go, there’s going to be suffering. That chant we have on the five recollections: It’s only a part of the sutta. The other part of the sutta says, “It’s not just me. All beings everywhere are subject to aging, subject to illness, subject to death, subject to separation. And they live by their karma.” When you reflect on those five recollections only with reference to yourself, the Buddha says it makes you heedful. When you reflect on the fact that wherever you could go in the universe, whatever state of becoming you could take on, is subject to these five principles: That, he says, gives rise to the samvega that gives rise to the path. So remember, whatever identity you could take on could have some pretty nasty details in the fine print. If you can think of it that way, it’s easier to let go of the desire to come back and be anything at all in any world.

    Then there’s craving for non-becoming. A good way to look for this is to look at times when you think back on things you did and you regret, or things you didn’t do and you regret: the stupid things you said, the stupid things you did. You realize that that particular identity is one that makes you very uncomfortable. You don’t like the idea that that’s you, and you’d like to destroy that memory, destroy that identity. Well, in doing so, you take on a new identity. As the Buddha said, one of his great insights was seeing that in the desire for nonbecoming, there was becoming. So if you find the mind slipping in any of these things: nostalgia for sensual pleasures, or the desire for new sensual pleasures you didn’t have, the desire to take on any state of being on any level of the universe, or the desire to destroy some aspect of you in terms of things you did and said, where you look back on it and you said, “I wish I could just get rid of that memory”: All these things— you’ve got to see them as burdens that will weigh you down. So you take the proper antidotes. For sensuality, if it has to do with lust, you start with the contemplation of the body. And then you look at the drawbacks of sensuality in general. For becoming, you remember: Everything is subject to aging, illness, and death—every identity. And as for any desire to destroy a particular memory of something you did unskillfully, that’s going to give rise to more becoming, which goes back to aging, illness, and death all over again. So these are the things you have to watch out for. And these are the antidotes you use. 3 You have to use them again and again and again for them to really sink in. As with any directed thought and evaluation, if you do it once, it’s not going to go very deep into the mind, because here you are, talking to yourself. It may be with a voice that you’re not used to hearing or an attitude or a perspective you’re not used to seeing things from.

    So you have to work on it again and again and again until these thoughts come more easily, more quickly. After all, at the moment of death, you’re going to need them to come fast because your cravings are fast. They see they can’t stay here, and they’re going to immediately look for something else.

    You’ve got to make sure they don’t pull you in the wrong direction. So work on these antidotes and take a good dose of them every day: contemplation of the drawbacks of sensuality, contemplation of the undesirability of any state of being, any state of becoming, and the realization that regret about how much you want to destroy a memory, destroy a sense of who you were, will take you back to states of becoming all over again. Keep these antidotes in your medicine chest, and take a good healthy dose every day.
     
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  12. Buddhabro2.0

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    Truth is that I can love myself more and better than anyone else. There’s no reason to fantasize about feeling loved when it is highly unlikely to happen; when I do, the sadness reminds me of the only kind of love that I have ever known.
    Ever since my childhood experiences with abandonment, my expectation has been that I would have to deal with it again and again. Nothing special about it. Surely, many people will relate with being left out of the circle of belonging and intimacy.
    For me, the bittersweet sorrow with which I indulge feeds my heart with love and compassion, as well as gratitude.
    I fell into watching Beauty and the Beast tonight, and I knew what feelings it would evoke in me, but I understood.
    I apologize for being ignorant about love, romance, and all things that are important to maintaining good relationships.
    I pray that I can be forgiven and learn to live love without fear of causing more pain and suffering.
    My attempt to reboot and overcome this addiction is where I try to make it right.
     
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  13. Buddhabro2.0

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    My head hurts. My heart aches. And My body groans.

    My thoughts repeat. My emotions swell. And My reflexes give a sigh.

    My eyes close. My chest breathes. Something of my addiction dies.

    I notice a pattern that I know I can release. A dumpster full of paradigms that never grants me peace.

    My mind is spinning, my position is set, when my situation changes I’ll have no regrets.

    My memory fades. My sense of time relays…Throwing me into the future…without any parades.

    The end is near the beginning, though I don’t know where to start.

    Life’s a lonely carousel, spinning around my broken heart.
     
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  14. Buddhabro2.0

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    I was reminded of how good it feels to be in the company of a good friend/woman.
    Bad experiences are what made my reliance on pmo a major problem for me. It was my escape.
    Now, I spend my time alone trying to convince myself that it’s better this way.
    I think it’s probably true that you need to love yourself before you can truly love another, but it maybe unreasonable.
    My trouble is that I have loved the company of women. I can still recall how much I loved her, and her and her….lol
    I’m posting this because I think there’s others who struggle with a kind of addiction to love and fantasies of having a fairytale relationship.
    My perspective on the matter now is that I need to be realistic about my chances of finding love and that being alone needn’t bring up feelings of despair or sadness.
    I must learn to love myself and appreciate the freedom I have being a single man and start enjoying my life a lot more.
     
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  15. Don80

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    I disagree with that. However, loving yourself helps to build a healthier relationship. I'm glad that what you said is not true about me. Otherwise, with my low self-esteem I wouldn't have got married and would have fallen in love several times in my life.
     
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  16. Extinguish

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    absolutely everyone. if that craving isn't of the romantic variety, then the craving is for more coarser forms of sexual gratification. nothing about our cravings for sense desires are unique, personal, or special. everyone has them. but how can we accept these deep cravings as impersonal when we have always idenitified with them? even thinking of them as 'our personality' or something spiritual about us. it's like an english teacher who has always taught that the word for when you are not free is read and pronounced Bus-ee. How can they accept that no, it's not Bus-ee, it's BUSY. likewise, we cling to our wrong beliefs. we were wrong to believe that there was any true and lasting happiness in sexual gratification, furthermore, wrong in our beliefs that lasting happiness was to be found in intimacy, relationships, and women. accepting that would mean we were wrong for years. and yet it takes that authenticity to get to the truth. and it takes the truth to achieve true happiness.

    to be freed from the suffering that is craving, be realistic about what 'finding love' means, not your chances. could you love a woman you've never seen or heard? impossible. so your love is dependant on eyes and ears. likewise, a woman love is dependant on physical attributes of men, their status, etc, and nothing unique or personal about the individual. You can leave the woman who loves you, and she can have a new bf in three months, because that's the extent of what that love is. Its a form of self deception. an escape from the fact that we are alone. an escape from the fact that there is nothing permanent, free of stress, or with a self, anywhere to be found. So we need to have a gf to say "You see? I have a gf, she has sex with ME, she loves ME, you see? I AM. I have a Mercedes, I'm driving the Mercedes, do you see me? I'm in the Mercedes. Look at me! I am!" so they get another gf, and more super cars, all to prove to themselves that they ARE. That's the truth that liberates from craving, my friend; that being, the UNDESIREABILITY of your cravings. The Impermanent nature of them, their impersonal nature. Not your acceptance of the fact that you can't have them, but rather, that even if you did, it would not bring lasting happiness because that's not where lasting happiness lies. This is how you carry out the destruction of craving. The destruction of craving is happiness.
     
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  17. Buddhabro2.0

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    The destruction of craving is happiness.

    I suppose picking up where the last line of @Extinguish ended his comments is appropriate, because I had another extremely lustful dream last night.
    It reminded me of my first gf, and the intense feeling of desire we shared with each other.
    In the dream, I found the experience very enjoyable, but actually it made me realize how much I wanted to rid myself of this particular kind of craving.
    The woman seemed to be an amalgam of my dream girl, and at my age, the thought of living out this fantasy is akin to torturing myself.
    The excitement caused my heart to beat harder than I prefer, and it was just a dream.
    I will accept the truth that my childish dreams must be laid to rest if I am to live alone and love alone.
    Rebooting and finding peace with myself is the only way I can live love again. The real love of my life has to be me.
     
  18. Buddhabro2.0

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    Life can be confusing.
    This is probably very obvious to people, but I’m beginning to understand that loneliness has nothing to do with being alone.
    Moving forward, I need to remind myself of how loneliness is not about being alone, but rather a sign of dysfunction brought on by abuse, neglect, alienation…etc. None of which I deserved.
    I’m a strong, loving, intelligent soon to be 62 year old man that has survived misfortune, betrayal, and deception of all kinds. I don’t need to be afraid or worried about my ability to manage my life.
    In fact, it’s unbelievable how well I’ve managed to overcome so much trauma to get to this point, that it seems miraculous.
    I, alone am enough. And although I have been lucky to receive praise, respect, and adoration from people that have been very complimentary towards me, I was never able to feel worthy.
    Now, relieved of my addiction to pmo, I can finally face the reality that I deserve to feel loved. In fact, I now love myself too much to ever feel lonely again.
    I give thanks to God for saving me, and vow to never forget who I am. Which is a loving child of God who is deserving of his love and the many blessings that he has given to me.
    How could I feel lonely, when I have never really been alone.
     
  19. Buddhabro2.0

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    I’m looking forward to creating a different and new way of loving.
    Nostalgia has me thinking about how wonderful it felt being with my first love, but that’s just another bull shit fantasy that needs to stop, just like my addiction to pmo.
    I’ll take control of my emotions and decide to show myself more love. I can be enough.
     
  20. Hey man, how are you?

    Dumb comment here, but I think the heart and soul of self-love is
    maintenance.

    What I mean is that if someone thinks that self-love is eating candy
    bars all day, it's a lie because it is the path to destruction.

    Which is how I feel about PMO. It's hard to have self-love by using
    PMO because it destroys a man. Once in a while is one thing,
    but when someone has the addiction, it's another.
     
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