Masterbation in Moderation!!!!

Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by Captain!, Oct 28, 2019.

  1. Captain!

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    Why are experts not talking about the high addictiveness of masturbation? In a phrase: the experts are too cunning! It is not ignorance but the avoidance of the topic. The expert used a very cunning word: moderation! The span of the word moderation is too vast because everybody has a different constitution, therefore, no one knows where the degree for moderation is. And having become addicted, talking about moderation is absurd! Once addicted, you no longer have the control. Many people have had experience of masturbating for several days consecutively, even many times a day when evil thoughts enter the brain, a person is like a puppet under the temptation demon, it is a state of involuntariness. Many of the predecessors have wasted themselves via masturbation while subscribing to harmlessness theories. Moderation is self-deception as well as the deception of other people, one is simply looking for an excuse for indulgence.
     
  2. The 'experts' are deep state assets stationed to promote a weaponized pseudo-sexuality social virus commonly known as 'porn' designed to kill off the masses.

    I just thought you might want to know. The whole game of current society is rigged, in case you were wondering. Search 'Agenda 21'.
     
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  3. I thought porn is produced because it is good way to make money out from something what is addicting :emoji_astonished:

    Anyways, i don't like the world has turned to over-sexual.

    That moderation, i wish i heard even the word "moderation" in the beginning, i just read it was healthy :emoji_angel:
     
  4. Jack1211

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    Sorry bro...i totaly respect you but i think this post is so extreme on so many levels, one should not take an exterme position like this one of the OP, indeed you should not spend your day on watching porn and choking your chicken or sleeping with three girls but it will not harm you to watch an erotic video once a week or once every two weeks its not a big of a deal and its so healthy and nothing wrong with it, one should get rid of shame and guilt, we are in the 21st century we are not living in the medieval age! When people were used to Castrate themselves in order to become pure, i personally support the idea of short term Abstinence which is in short having only single orgasm only when one's prostate is swollen.
     
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  5. tbird

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    At the core of it all, masturbation is a selfish activity that causes more problems than it solves.
     
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    Perheps...but still better than turning into a pedo or a rapist in my humble opinion.
     
  7. Get_It

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    It serves the Elites well when you become a full fledged Coomer.
     
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  8. DesertExplorer

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    Is it my impression or are you implying that anyone who tries to lay off PMO is becoming a pedo or rapist?
     
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    Not exactly but if someone went extremely on this way like people who go for 365 days streaks, he will 100% end up acting like a joe biden stereotype in most cases espically if he have naturally high testosterone
     
  10. Metis07

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    I think it’s more the over way around - ‘one’ PMO is one step further to rape/femdom/cross and all overs forms of disgusting fetishes, you name it. So it’s better to stay away from it and not even approach (like some moderation stuff). But nobody talks about becoming a monk - you should try to find a right woman for you and have a healthy sex life.
     
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  11. Captain!

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    man im almost 365 day streak clean, and I dont have any of that thoughts you say. I actually did it and my mind is clearer and don't objectify women, I even don't have the compulsion to masterbate. Doing is very different to talking my friend, I hope you get rid of masterbation my friend and have a healthy sex life with the woman you love.
     
  12. DesertExplorer

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    Do you think there's the possibility that this won't apply to everyone? We surely must take into consideration that there are more factors at play for someone doing nofap indefinitely. Streak is one. But so is that person's routine, why he does nofap, how lustful he is (not everyone is sexually attracted at the same degree), and how he thinks.

    In case I didn't make it too obvious, there are actually people out there doing nofap for years without being perverts (actually the opposite; they become more and more pure). This notion that you become one when you abstain is based on delusions and it's laughable at best.
     
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  13. Jack1211

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    Its so funny that these nofap people think that mastrubation to porn in modreation is unhealthy while they at the same time beliave that sex is fine even if you over do it lol
     
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  14. Hold it in

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    I take a Christian stance on the matter

    look at it like this, if nobody got aroused our species would die. You are not gonna have sex if you're not horny. With that said, God said in the beginning "Be fruitful and multiply" Satan and his cohorts have perverted what God blessed

    In another words, God is suppose to be the center of our lives anything else whatever it may be, is a distraction and ultimately a sin because we have lost sight of what is important. The devil knows this

    Masturbating in and of itself I don't believe is sinful because God obviously made our bodies. Sex is suppose to feel good and so is Masturbation, if it wasn't so God wouldn't have made our genitals to feel any kind of pleasure whatsoever. No, in the beginning it was Good and God saw that

    But we have an enemy. Why do we have an enemy? Because there is no salvation for the Devil and his angels. This is very important so listen up, God chose to save the creation he made a little lower than the angels. (That would be us, human kind)

    So, in his saltyness Satan is going to try and pervert what is good and destroy the creation that God forgave and drag as many souls to the Second death. (After judgement) and thrown into the lake of fire with him as he can. It's important to note the Devil is free now and is NOT in hell. But he soon will be

    I Jack off once a week. As many times on Saturday and let all of that frustration out of my body as I want.I sure am glad it feels good and am not ashamed of it, keep things in perspective however. A walk with God is victory, the Devil will throw banana peels down for you to slip on but glory be to God, greater is He who is in us, than He who is in the World
     
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    Why is it OK to have moderation after marriage but not moderation in masturbation? Moderation is achievable in sex, while the same is difficult for masturbatoin?]

    It is to avoid indulgence before marriage, in order to avoid being wasted before getting married. One should leave save the best of oneself for after marriage. During my long stay in the rebooting forums, I have seen a lot of unmarried brothers becoming wasted before marriage, the family is urging marriage, but their sexual function is no longer OK, they have premature ejaculation and erectile difficulties. It is inconvenient to communicate such issues with the woman. Once the word is out, the other person would mention breaking up, making oneself very awkward. Some friends are not only sexually disabled, but their whole body is ridden with symptoms with discomforts all over. When entering marriage in such a state, this is also very awkward.

    In fact, rebooting is cultivation. Why do you want abstinence before marriage? This principle is actually similar to taming the wild horse is similar, that is, to learn to conquer the temptation demons before marriage. The temptation demon is the wild horse, one can only direct this wild horse after marriage. The process is: first conquer and then direct! If you have never surpassed the demon, then you can’t talk about directing, one will be unable to truly achieve moderation after marriage. In order words, when you are successful at rebooting before marriage, then there will be hope to truly achieve moderation after marriage. Otherwise, if you have never conquered the temptation demon, there is a high chance of becoming wasted after marriage. Remember: First conquer, then direct! If you are unable to conquer the temptation demon, then it is possible to become wasted both before and after marriage. We need to be masters of desires, not the slaves to desire. The consequences of being the slave to desire are very grave!
     
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  16. DesertExplorer

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    That I will have to agree with you on. Orgasm through sex is by no means as unhealthy as PMO, but orgasm is still orgasm; it's a sacrifice. And thus, it can be damaging like PMO. But not on the same degree of course.
     
  17. Hold it in

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    Marriage is very important, blessed by God and we should all strive for marraige. However, it's unrealistic to think everybody will infact get married. So, what are those people who do not get married gonna do?

    Never masturbate? Have an Orgasm? Cower in the corner thinking God thinks they are a sinner? If they do?

    We don't serve a God like that. There are many, many reasons why someone cannot get married and it is my belief God understands that
     
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    “O young men, whoever among you can afford to get married, let him do so, and whoever cannot afford it, let him fast, for that will be a shield for him.”

    "Whoever can guarantee (the chastity of) what is between his two jaw-bones and what is between his two legs (i.e. his tongue and his private parts), I guarantee Paradise for him."

    Prophet Muhammad
     
  19. Captain!

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    Dont be worry my friend nofap will do the rest for you, it will improve your lifestyle, it will develop you to be a good husband becuase having partner will automatically come to you, you dont need to be married but atleat have a faithful partner, or you can attain enlightenment through solitary and discern non attachment, so indulging in addiction(pmo) is not on the list. I wish joy on your journey.
     
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    Okay well thank you. I think I know what I am doing and perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying, my apologies. This is what I was saying:

    Masturbation is not a sin. Of course if you fall into lust and perversion it is but just simply playing with yourself to orgasm I can't find anything biblical about it being so

    I'm not into sex before marriage though, that is a sin. I'm also not looking for enlightenment either. What am I looking for? The deeper things of God. The secret place of the Almighty, in another words His Holy Spirit. :)
     
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