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Quit drinking, smoking, porn, but I can't quit sex searching mode.

Discussion in 'Compulsive Sexual Behavior' started by peintrerobben, Jul 1, 2023.

  1. peintrerobben

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    Greetings. 36 yo male, for background refer to my post on the new section. Have fun!

    I have quit all of my other addictions, been 3 years sober now, but weekend comes and I dread not having girls to have sex with. I was in a monogamous relationship for the past 3 years, broke up in april, and I've had a shitty luck since. RN I'm insecure, unattractive, had porn dick for a while, and soon after EDing with a woman I was very into I quit porn a month and a half ago, but the feeling of years of very unsafe erections lingers. Now I am more confident about my ability to have and sustain an erection, but I am also insecure when it comes to going out and picking up girls, I'm out of shape, and I never got very good at it TBH. When I was single last I use apps a lot, they're much simpler then going out, and I also quit apps because I want real connections, I want things that happen vis a vis, and apps are quite the contrary. Now my brain is telling me that I should download apps, because (which is true) I've met so many nice cool girls on apps before, and that it's better then to be alone on a saturday night, etc. I am also all the time gauging my attractiveness, yesterday I got flicked off by a very unnatractive girl, last weekend I brought home another unnatractive girl, my constant casual partner is not very pretty, so that all signs point to me being way less attractive then I'd want to be, I feel like surely I am much more unnatractive then I was when I started dating my ex. I've been friendzoned by a couple other women I was talking to that I met these past months. I want to keep with my proposition to be patient, be real with myself, take all the flak from being out there the first time in my life free of addictions, truly present,approaching girls (working at a club one day at a week, sports groups, hanging out with people), understanding what I want, who attracts me and who doesn't (with porn I thought every girl was potentially attractive, now I know it's not like that), and standing unaided by ego or false impressions of myself. I know male attractiveness and being secure are very much related, and I know for a fact I am not secure right now, but my mind is all the time saying "how can you be secure if you're not having sex as much as you want". To tolerate frustration of not having a group of partners from which I can rotate days, like I had before my last relationship, is also something which I want dearly. To learn how to tolerate not having sex, and not feel like I'm missing out, that my identity is under threat, that I am never going to raise a family because I'll never find a girl that matches my wants and that will want to be with me. I should focus on work, because I have heaps going on, and although I am being productive, but since I broke up TBVH my productivity is slowly slipping because I am putting more and more time and effort in meeting new women. Nothing wrong with that, I am not guilty about it, as long as it's not a compulsion, which is slowly becoming once again. A couple weekends ago I got really lucky one night in a theater venue, and I hooked up with heaps of girls, and that energized me to seek more. I want to understand how to approach this in a non compulsive way.

    So, in conclusion, I am trying to approach dating in a face to face, present manner, with very mixed results, def not the ones I wanted from it; in a non compulsive way, but with confidence (knowing that in the past my confidence came from abundance, verifying in the rl that I had that many women telling me the most inequivocal way I was good enough), so that I can approach and relate to women I really want to be with. I still am not finding my footing in RL dating after a relationship, years of apps, the novelty of being sober and present, and I feel very naked about it. I know the results come in the long run, but since I've done all I thought would give me better relationships, all that happened was that I've been rejected by women I was very confident I'd seduce before all that. Is it age related, was I not as lucky as I thought before (I know I was much more then I am right now, objective observation), is it my context, the newness of being sober? Or am I just very unable to deal with frustration? And, more importantly, I want to have casual sex, and also have good relationships that are affectionate, but how can I make them happen? I sure as hell am approaching, talking to girls, and I want a balance. The eagerness is also a problem, that is in close relation with the compulsion.
    Anyways, if you've made this far, thank your for reading, I hope you're having a great day and that, whatever issues brought you here, you find better answers.

    TL;DR, sex addict, sober 3 years now, approaching relationships in a new frame and getting frustrated at the results.
     
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  2. Neva

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    Hello Brother,
    well at first you should know that women, especially the ones present in dating apps, have huge expectations and ego nowadays (so the reason you're not so good at dating now is likely not your fault), the situation you describe is like you want to have someone in the way an addict wants his drugs ( no offense), while the only way is not to put girls in the center of your life, focus on improvement and meanwhile meet some girls but without any expectations, be aware of your worth (girls don't define your worth, you do and your habits) don't give her more than you get from her, and especially if girl is unatractive then why would you even care? 'Luckily she goes away, so ugly B... girl' ;)

    In conclusion you have to focus on your life, on your improvement, your hobbies etc and then girls would come, just don't put them in the center but equal with all of the tasks you are interested in, when it comes to casual sex they're just toys like tobacco, coc*ine and any other dopaminergic drugs ;) When it comes to serious relationship then okay, you should put definitely more effort but then stop casual sex, it would destroy this relationship and cause pain (in this case any fwb partner would automatically put your hypothetical girlfriend in a role of a toy which is rather not anything good for relationship)

    Btw:I'm just a teen after sleepless night so I might be not really wise in this topic
     
  3. peintrerobben

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    You're absolutely right, no offense taken. I will focus on productivity, which is the most valuable thing I can do now. And I'll focus on myself knowing that, as many times before, a decent woman is going to show up. Cocaine does to you what cocaine does to you, can't ask no more of it, but I sure can stay away from it.
     
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  4. peintrerobben

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    Just an update, porn dick is sorta gone, yesterday had a very secure erection with a petite girl, condom on, had sex twice in an hour, the second time she rode me cowboy very rough and my penis just took the beating happily. I am very glad because now I can develop my dating life without having to worry about failing in bed, using medicine that wrecks your vision, explaining to the girls I was tired, seeing the girl I want to have an affectionate relationship with slipping because I'm insecure, looking myself in the mirror and thinking I wont be able to do anything with any girl whatsoever because if I manage to pick her attraction I have to sustain having sex and that is not happening when you have pied.
    But that is also a dangerous path to abuse, because I can easily spend my time chasing girls and not doing the things I oughta do to improve myself, I am self employed, and should be working for instance, but I'm at the forum thinking and talking about sex. I am not complaining about succesfully rebooting at all, I am saying that I have to be careful now, and not slip back into old habits, now that I have regained the very basic functions of masculine sexual characteristics. Man, just how fucking detrimental porn is, specially to people with sex addiction and related issues.
     
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  5. loneloan

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    without moral judgement (in this post here), I will tell you you can choose to be a party-man and focus on sex, or focus purely on business, money, financial-social (high society type) growth, etc
    a ton of nouveau rich brats are nightclub addicts but truly, the men who pull the strings of the planet have sacrificed sex for a long time at some point..it isn't mystical, its pure science IMO. a starved cat is as dangerous as a lion, they say
     
  6. peintrerobben

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    I thank you for your advice, and I can understand your point, but also I am friends with transience of all things and I want to enjoy the ride with repsonsibility and care for the ones I love. I am mostly happy with what I am/have, and it's a balance between productivity and sociability, and that is what I aim by balancing my urges. I don't care to pull the strings, nor to be Rocco Siffredi, I just want to be able to feel my life is worthy and according to my values, be it now or at ICU at the end of my life. :)
     
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  7. peintrerobben

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    An update: I remember the lowest I've been, must have been five years ago, the day the hottest girl I've ever gone out with left me. We had been on and off for a while, and one night we met for dinner and beers. We went to my place afterwards, and kept partying until late. Next day we spent the day in bed, and at around five in the arvo she got up and left. I knew that very moment it was the last I'd see of her. We cared for each other but our conection was limited, yet I was dogged persistent on trying for long term with her because she was really hot. When she left I felt the loneliest I've ever felt, I thought about self terminating in executive terms for the first time then and there, and it felt relieving instead of sad. I was hungry, lonely, hung over, had just had a shitload of sex, and the fantasy/dream I had with her was undoing at the seams right in front of me. That day I cried on the living room floor like someone had died.
    But I found a purpose in that: I'd prevent that from happening in the future by understanding what went wrong and how to remediate. I had a question, and I'd find answers. Started therapy, talked to my mates about what they saw that I couldn't see that made me difficult to be around, I took responsability for heaps of things I hadn't before, I went out and talked to girls in settings I just wouldn't before, I put myself out there... and definitly my life turned around. I thought I'd arrive at a place of more understanding, and consequently more comfort. I do understand better what is happening to me now I'm sober, but I have not become more comfortable. Quite the contrary, now things are more difficult, I have to deal with not drinking (and not having a cozy place to escape), now I am finding out I cant use sex to escape like I did, and that there is nothing in this world that will give you permanent peace of mind. Now I have neither the grandiose fantasy nor the hitting the floor, everything is pretty average. It's like the ending of Name of the Rose, when suddenly all the mistery and all that grandiosity and limitlesness of the library become the most mundane thing, even banal, in that it cannot save itself from what it is, although the knowledge to prevent and to remediate it's demise must have been contained in itself many times over.
    Today I feel like a humbled version of me, insecure because the best answers I've found have shown me that they are not answers, and that there are no permanent answers to what I want. Theres no transcendence from the ordinary daily life in neither addiction and fantasy, nor in living day to day and present. You can create very good conditions to live day to day, and yet they are not going to give you absolution, transcendence, meaning beyond itself.
    I'm curious about having children because of that: living for others is the only thing I've found ever came close to giving me the level of satisfaction I felt before coming clean about my addictions.
     
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  8. I have to admit, I do admire that you went out of your way to try to meet new people, even going as far as to vastly upgrade your social circle through clubs, new jobs and volunteer work. You even managed to date a few women and reignite your love life.

    It may not seem like much, especially when you're not too satisfied with the results, but remember that what you've done in your description is something that most users on this forum have never done in their entire lives.

    Just today, I decided to give up on dating and relationships altogether, after spending a lifetime having no success. I don't know what you look like, but seeing your results, I know I'm a lot uglier than you could ever me. Anyway, I recently joined a boxing gym; too early to see many results, but I've also done other things to expand my social circle, following years of being a loner.

    It's too late for me, but I sincerely hope you'll see better results in your future updates, friend.
     
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  9. pete379

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    I dont know how old you are, but Im guessing a lot younger than me (58). It is not too late for you.
    Especially with joining a boxing gym. That is some thing I wish I had done many years ago. I never learned how to fight.
    It has shaped my life in many bad ways. women love a man who can protect them. stick with that, you will gain confidence, which is like catnip for women. Im not saying do it to get a woman, but it will definitely help.
    I had some confidence when younger, and managed to be married for 16yrs and have 3 kids. Its all gone now though.
    I would never tell a young man to give up. At my age, different story. No money, cant fight, no confidence. Ive had some good times though. hang in there
     
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  10. peintrerobben

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    Viele danke for the kind words, freund! I'll second the words of our friend pete379: as long as you are alive and well, it's not to late for you. Boxing, man, I've just looked up muay thai in my vicinity this morning. I am a runner, I can run long distances, and I've always prefered running and gym to boxing and fighting gym for a single reason: ass. You get no ass in these gyms. That is an awful mistake I've made for long. Two things: first of all, never learned to fight, and being confident all around demands you know how to fight in case you need. I've lived my whole life knowing I can take anyone down by using objects, which is true, but I'll end up having a high stakes accident someday, and I'm not keen on that. Second reason: if you know how to fight, you feel comfortable around other men, and as pete said, catnip. Third, it teaches you not to give up. There's no prize in giving up, theres no prize in attempting the first few 300 times, but never underestimate someone whos always showing up. Women are the gatekeepers of good reproduction, and although they do a shoddy job sometimes, that is the game, and that created evolutionary pressure for better capacity, which in turn allowed us to create language, computation, and to be able to communicate across long distances. Don't be salty about women, don't be beaten by all the failures you've experienced, you have an existencial responsibility towards you to at least try doing what you want, and if you're lucky you'll get a version of it, and you can even enjoy yourself while doing it!
    Look up this dude called James Marshall on youtube, out of all the dating coaches he's the one that I've found actually has some pretty decent and useful content.
    And better luck, I know I did all I could, and can at least go down with my mind easy about trying. That I think is the important part!
     
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  11. Thank you so much for the kind words. It's always good to hear from someone from the older generation.

    To be honest, I think my failures are in some part generational. If you're 58, then that means you came of age before the internet, social media, and streaming services, not to mention internet porn (and political correctness, which is plaguing the Western world right now). I actually envy you this; I know every generation has its own problems and challenges, but I find that talking to older people and spending time with them at events is such a privilege, because I can leave all the digital toxicity behind. Heck, I wanted to join a social gathering at a local library today for people age 55+, but unfortunately they refused me entry. I could never relate to people my own age, let alone get along with them.

    Truth is, I'm a rather ugly fellow, and I'm short (177.8 cm) so I don't mind if women aren't attracted to me. These days, looks are everything, and I'm referring to natural features (facial structure, nice hair, being tall enough, etc), not things men think women like (muscles, nice clothes, etc). It's fine; I've come to associate relationships (and the pursuit thereof) as tantamount to pain, disappointment, and even suicidal thoughts. I think it's extremely unhealthy to subject yourself to that kind of abuse for 17 years. After I stopped "approaching" women altogether, my self-esteem improved greatly. Besides, I've never wanted to get married, and I've never wanted children either, so dating makes little sense for me.

    In fact, I've always been attracted to older women (50+), but I never acted on this, so all the rejections I experienced were from women my age.

    Well, I've always wanted to be more confident. I've been robbed three times, and I was bullied all throughout middle and high school. It's easy to not feel confident when that's your life story. I used to fantasize about learning a martial art, and now I've finally joined a gym in my city. The workouts can be brutal, but I already feel better about myself for having taken that step. I really love working out.

    I truly appreciate the encouragement; I can never get enough of it. I hope things turn out well for you in the future.

    Funny you mention this: I used to do track and field when I was in high school, so I had no problem running long distances. Yet as soon as I got into a boxing gym, I learned that stamina for running isn't the same for fighting. In fact, with untrained fists, I injured my wrist and hyperextended my knee on the first day. It's a LOT of work!

    As for "ass": The gym is one place I go to forget all of that; I avoid the female attendees unless I'm partnered with them by the coach.

    Having been robbed three times, I can tell you this: It's always best to avoid a fight. I'll never forget the day a kid was stabbed in front of my school (guns are hard to get in my country, so knife attacks are more common). The best thing to do is learn where the dangerous areas are and stay away. Meanwhile, I must humbly disagree with the catnip remark; my goal is to keep modern women (that is, women my age or younger) as far from me as possible.

    I agree to some extent. I believe if the goal is beneficial or noble, then one shouldn't give up. However, remember that this is Nofap; some things are worth quitting.

    Interesting point, because if you look at history, some of the most influencial thinkers and inventors were childless and/or never married. Newton, Tesla, Plato, Da Vinci... I think that American stereotype of the nerdy guy being smart, but never being popular with the ladies has some kernel of truth to it. Men who are handsome don't need to overcompensate with intelligence or creativity. Meanwhile, I agree that women are gatekeepers of reproduction, and that's fine by me.

    I must confess that I usually avoid dating coaches. When you say useful stuff, what does that mean?
     
  12. OhWhenThe

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    That's not short:
     
  13. It's not short in America. Most guys I know and speak to are all taller than me.
     
  14. OhWhenThe

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    I'm not American but ok.

    I would suggest that only in your head is 5'10" considered short, or perhaps in the NBA also.

    Maybe you're not as ugly as you think either.
     
  15. I understand your point, but I must respectfully disagree. I've been told that I'm not ugly before my some people in my personal life, but that's what people say to try and make you feel better. Unfortunately, westerners love to virtue signal; saying the right things but not truly believing it.

    Not to make this thread about me, but I was rejected every time for 17 years. I kind of get the message now. Way too many men in this world overcomplicate female attraction (Women love confidence! Women love dominance!) Everyone makes female attraction about things men can control, when attraction is not within human control at all. You can't control who you're attracted to, and you can't control who finds you attractive. Same applies to women.

    What can I say? You win some, you lose some. Still, it's not that big a deal. If some men believe otherwise, who am I to dissuade them? I've been hearing this meme that 60% never reproduced, so if that's true, then I'm fine being a statistic.
     
  16. pete379

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    You sound like a fine young man with a good head on your shoulders. You are right, things were different 30 yrs ago when I got married. All this new technology i think has been more curse than blessing sometimes.
    Sounds like you are at peace with yourself, that puts you way ahead of most guys.
     
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