What do you think about pickup artists? Is it helpful?

Discussion in 'Dating during a Reboot' started by magic05, Jul 15, 2020.

  1. Beat_Wizard

    Beat_Wizard Fapstronaut

    you have seen them? or experienced them? because there is a diference. Many men are insecure and need to get out of there comfortzone. They don't know what love and respect means, becauswe they've been running away from it their entire lives. Pick-Up is an option for them to learn how to be more empathetic, likeable and to meat somebody who they can share intimacy with. But it's up to them what they do with the teachings. it's like saying christianity is a waste of time and money. There are many good values in the bible, but there are bad people. you decide who you want to be.
     
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  2. Hmmm. It seems we have a different understanding of what a pick-up artist stands for. I am not even certain a pick-up artist does understand the values of love, respect and empathy themself. Often they brag about being very successful with women using these technics which is a complete contradiction. I actually do know one dude who does work as a pick-up artist and I had to laugh quite hard as I found out. He and his mates act like gurus which they clearly are not - they are wannabes but I am still certain this works with enough girls. He turned into a complete narcist. The argument that a pick-up artist can teach you love, respect and empathy is wrong I would say. A therapist or mentor is someone who could teach you sich values. There are specific therapists who focus on self-development and gaining self-esteem. I think this would be a sustainable way learn something for life.

    One thing I like to tell everyone is to start traveling alone. Preferably abroad. This will give you and unbelievable boost in self-esteem and you will learn so much from this experience.
     
  3. InappropriateUsername

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    Con artists. Picking up women is a sport about trophies. You should be honestly engaging with women not trying to use gimmicky, pop psychology tactics to get in their pants. Learn how to talk to people. Be honest, be genuine. Have a job. Be confident. Be a gentlemen. Groom. Dress like a man not a frat boy or a slob. Work out.
     
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  4. Beat_Wizard

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    As sombody who was active in the pickup community for many years, I gotta say that your view on PickUp is very similar to what the mainstreem media says about it. "manipulative creeps, who are narcissists"
    Let me say this however. I agree on your line of arguments. Yes, many so-called PUA's are uncalibrated narcissists, who think having had sex with 500 women somehow makes them superior (or "alpha" as they say), but if you had a perfect date with a guy, had a great time, maybe even good sex and you felt something; then he tells you he actually does PickUp. Would you judge him? Would you feel manipulated?
    People that fit the stereotype of the creepy PickUp-Artist usually aren't real PickUp-Artists. They probably had sex with a girl in some club toilet and now they are feeding their ego with it. Modern self development (which is what PickUp has turned into) actually teaches you many good things. It teaches you self respect, acceptance and forgiveness. It gives you perspectives and pointers to hold on to when you are starting to learn how to correctly socially interact with others. It teaches you what a good man or woman is. It teaches you empathy.
    And actually the basic idea of the so-called "alpha" is somebody who can abandon his own interests for the sake of others.

    So don't judge. Judging generally is reflection of self-hate. Those aquaintances of yours don't know any better. They got stuck on a path they set on to become a better self. They haven't realised how ridiculous and pathetic they are. Pity them instead. Most people who get into "Game", rarely pull through to the end and do the hard work. Because it's hard being honest about personal flaws and making the best of them.

    You know people like that dude you described are the reason why I got out in first place (and many of my friends as well). But I'll never forget what I learned.
     
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  5. You are right, I apologise for that.
     
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  6. Shambler

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    Pick up artists are not what you want to be modeling yourself after. Concider how closely the concept of pick up artistry and the incel community have become associated and you can probably work out for yourself how having actual respect for woman as human beings and being a pick up artist are at odds with each other.
    Get on tinder, be yourself, have no expectations, be honest and you will find someone. I did.
     
  7. StarRider

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    A proper match for the empowered women they pick up, who have the exact same attitude: Jack finds his Jill. Chad finds his Stacy.

    The girls they're after don't understand either. ;)

    Beta Provider game doesn't work on chicks younger than you (46).
     
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  8. InappropriateUsername

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    Sales pitch if I eva heard one. Make that quota!
     
  9. StarRider

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    Doesn't change, that Beta Provider Game is over, doesn't even yield bottom of the barrel anymore. Chicks don't care since decades, as they make their own money now. So your "Gentleman" serves no purpose outside of outdated movie plots.
     
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  10. InappropriateUsername

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    Bag em gag ‘em and tag ‘eh?

    I pray you never have a daughter.
     
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  11. StarRider

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    You keep out of my personal life, Mister NineCentiMeter. That's none of your business!

    Guys, Pick Up Artists teach a lot of superficial BS, but they are completely right about that being Mr. Perfect-Son-In-Law is the fastest way into a girl's friend-zone. Don't be that loser, you are not dating her parents.
     
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  12. Beat_Wizard

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    That's not what he meant tho. Nobody likes a Nice Guy. But being respectful and listening to a woman is not the same as running after her and having disgusting, leeching white knight behaviour
     
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  13. horriblewolf

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    Great advice! I have always been intrigued by relationships and people, like getting to know people can be tough but once you get used to the above it comes way faster!
     

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