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what relapse feels like..

Discussion in 'Partner Support' started by LadyDefiant, Feb 13, 2017.

  1. LadyDefiant

    LadyDefiant Fapstronaut

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    So it was bound to happen right? At least that is what I have been preparing myself for, the inevitable relapse. I hoped it wouldn't but knew it would, I only feared not being able to handle it. Turns out I can, and a whole lot better than I ever anticipated.
    Husband talked to me yesterday about how he searched for P and started to M in the morning before work. He told me how he struggled to justify in his mind what he was doing. He told me how he stopped before O because of the betrayal he was causing me and himself. All of that news and things are ok. All the effort I've been putting into not being co-dependent, into getting my mind right paid off.
    Why you may ask? Why no anger or crying? Well for one, I don't know if you noticed up there but he talked to me. He came to me, and I could see the disappointment, fear, pain and shame in his eyes. It took courage to admit this.
    Living with this addiction has made me ever more aware that I am not cause of my husband's actions. And my gut reaction to this news wasn't: is this my fault, what did I do wrong, why aren't I enough. My gut reaction was finally, it's happened. Now what do we do?
    So while I took it like a stoic initially, as the hours wore on I got a bit sad. Sad because I'm a woman and my self-esteem is constantly being tested and I struggle to hold on to what I have while constantly grasping for more. Sad because I know that the physical/sexual contact we've been developing since this started will have to be put on hold or slowed down for the time being.
    To end this on a happier note because today I am feeling happy, I am glad to have this community, with its wealth of experiences and wisdom. And I am happy to see that the struggles of the last few weeks are having enormous positive effects in my life and in my marriage.
     
  2. i_wanna_get_better1

    i_wanna_get_better1 Fapstronaut

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    I'm sorry to hear about the relapse but I'm encouraged how both of you have reacted to the relapse. Your story is trending in the right direction and hopefully your husband can get completely clean. If he relapses again then compare the number of days to this streak. Is it longer? Then that's progress. Is it shorter? That's a great big red flag. It's great that he was able to communicate to you his failure, but hopefully he won't take your understanding for granted. Did he learn from the experience? What is he going to do differently this time? There should never be just an oops and forget about it relapse.

    Your personal growth is also commendable. You are handling this relapse logically and rationally and without undue emotion. Thank you for sharing your inner disappointments with us. Although a lot of attention is focused on the addict during a reboot, don't neglect your emotional needs. Have you had any follow up discussions about, not only what it made you think, but how it made you feel?
     
  3. ItsNeverTooLate

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    Congrats! That's a huge step for an SO. It took me a while to come to this realization. Then it just clicked suddenly. How would I react if my SO came to me and said he spent all our savings and retirement on gambling? Or if he asked me to drive him to the ER because he was about to OD? Mad? Yes, furious even. But, as @i_wanna_get_better1 put it, I'd ask the big questions. What were the triggers? What could have been done to avoid/deal with them? What is the plan to avoid/deal with these triggers in the future? What is the occurrence of these relapses and is the addict learning from each one? If my SO showed continual improvement I would be encouraged to be supportive. So why not the same with porn addiction?

    I too feel this way. I believe it's human nature. While I wouldn't necessarily feel less of a woman if my SO was a gambling or drug addict I would still feel less of a spouse in the sense that my SO would be seeking relief in gambling/drugs instead of confiding with me. What sucks about porn is that it is not only an insult to us as a spouse but also as a woman. Also, the insult is propagated by society in our media having humanity believe that what we have in life is not enough. There is always the NEED for more, when in reality, MORE does not = satisfaction. People feel sorry for gambling/drug addicts, but laugh and poo-poo over "porn/sex addiction". This makes it hard for SO and addicts alike to turn to friends and family for support. It's sad for both parties to feel alone.

    Good for you finding the positive! Not only is it helpful to supporting your SO, it is great that YOU are feeling better too. And that is what is really important!

    Thank you for your post! You are not alone. This community is one big shoulder to lean on. I don't think I would be doing as well as I am without it. Best wishes to you! Again, thank you so much for sharing! Your words offer hope and encouragement that there is an up side. ❤
     
  4. LadyDefiant

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    I have to be honest when I read this yesterday afternoon I was in no mood to think about the next possible relapse or if he would take my understanding for granted in the future. But since you've brought up legit concerns/issues in regards to this I'm going to address them so that I can be sure about things. He is learning from his experience, he's still going to SAA meetings and he shared yesterday at it. He's still sifting through the events to determine how he got to that point of relapse. And he's already shared with me what steps he's taking to prevent a 2nd relapse.
    For me, I told him how I got sadder as they day wore on and we talked about why. I spoke about how doubts about myself were trying hard to creep into my thoughts as a result and how we needed to reset our boundaries regarding physical/sexual contact until we figure out how to proceed. Thank you for asking the hard ?s.
     
  5. i_wanna_get_better1

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    In working with a bunch of people over the past year I've learned to measure progress, not by the length of the first streak, but if those streaks are getting longer, shorter, or exactly the same. I've also seen people hide their relapses from me or stop communicating with me after a relapse. The fact that he confessed is very good, but I wanted to make sure he wasn't taking your understanding for granted. But at some point WE MUST STOP... that needs to be made clear. Your patience and understanding can only go so far before the addict takes advantage of it and exploits it where they have the best of both worlds. A proper amount of disappointment needs to be shown without discouraging them.

    Imagine if it was infidelity... how many times would you put up with your husband cheating on you before you had enough? Would you put up with one one-night stand? Two? Of course you would expect none! He needs to seriously consider the seriousness of a relapse and weigh it the same as you. I'm glad you were able to follow up and reestablish your boundaries and expectations.
     
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  6. LadyDefiant

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    So I have an update to "what relapse feels like" it feels like sadness, disappointment, and doubt. Today I woke up with a sense of dread about the day. No motivation, no desire, and loads of self loathing and criticisms.
    And while it's not all because of the relapse, everything is related. Our goal last night was to do karezza correctly and that didn't happen. We both failed to uphold our boundaries and stay focused on the agreed upon goal.
    As a result i felt disappointed in myself and more importantly I realized how much his relapse has shaken my self-confidence. I've been struggling with thoughts of comparison w/ the porn he used to watch and it hurts. I can't seem to shake the feeling that I'm just not measuring up. I know in my heart it isn't true but my mind is refusing to cooperate.
     
  7. ItsNeverTooLate

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    This is a completely normal way to feel. Go a head and feel sorry for yourself. It's part of the healing process. Once you've gotten it out of your system remind yourself why your heart knows it's not true.

    Would you go out and physically change what you look like to fulfill your SOs "needs"? I hope not. His expectations are a delusion. Remind your self of the things you like about you. What do others like in you? Remember the moments when you and your SO connected in a non-sexual way - enjoying a good meal, rocking out at a concert, taking in a sunset, etc. What were the personality and intellectual traits that attracted you two to each other in the first place?

    There were several times since discovering my SOs addiction that I would just lie in bed willing myself to get out but feeling nothing but emptiness. By going through the "Stages of Grief" (for me personally, anger, depression and acceptance were the main ones) I was able to accept that my emotions were valid and normal and formulate a plan so that I was not feeling angry and depressed as much as I was. But the first step was getting out of bed. Now I'm out of bed by 8:30/9a on my days off instead of 1:30/2p.

    Someone in the SOS group posted this and I really appreciated it since it helped give me a different perspective on our situation.

    https://www.hazelden.org/web/blog-p...good-for-your-addicted-loved-one.5003069.view

    Hope some of this helps. You deserve happiness. Best wishes and the biggest of hugs!
     
  8. LadyDefiant

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    Thanks for reminding me that there are steps to healing and that it's ok if I take more time on some steps than others. I would like to note that a huge part of why this has been difficult for me is precisely because my SO has never asked me to change my looks, never made any expectations of my body, if anything he's been the opposite of all that. He's always been very supportive of my body if when I feel the need to change it. My issues with self-esteem and self-confidence are far older older than my relationship with him.
    I will however try to focus my attentions on all the non-sexual things I love about him and myself. This is great advice and I hope to do it on a daily basis.
     
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  9. ItsNeverTooLate

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    Just read @Zeff journal. Good stuff. Sounds like he is in the right direction and I like to think he owes some of that to you. You set legitimate boundaries and obtainable requests. You are encouraging and supportive in a constructive way.

    No matter the end outcome you both seem on the right path. You to finding the happiness and respect you deserve and him to recognizing his true self-worth and value. It's not an easy path. I still stumble across anger and resentment as @ReturningToEarth stumbles across temptation and distraction, but by continuing to communicate and be honest with each other we get back on track. Stay strong! This community is here for the both of you! :)
     
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