The Bible and Masturbation

It logically has to come down to this though because the Bible cannot give itself its own authority. Other things not listed in the Bible would be the list which makes up the Canon of the Bible. Kind of an important thing to be missing don't you think?

 

Haha! Yeah.... partly my bad. Apologies.

 

NO!

And neither does anyone else who isn't Catholic. Let it go man.

 

I can't since this about masturbation and the Bible. It's not a Catholic thing, it's a logic and reason thing. Not having the list of which scriptures make up the Bible, listed within the Bible, is a huge thing man!! How do you know your Bible is complete? How do you know there isn't a piece of parchment out there with another book and in that book it says "thou shalt not jerk thy own penis?" The simple truth is you don't know this and therefore you can't call the Bible the complete Word of God unless you've accepted it as such because a Church told you so, and if you've done that then you've accepted a belief based on tradition, which then means there could be other things worthy of accceptance which are not written in the Bible you read from!

My gosh how do you not see how this all ties in together?!

 

Grasp for the straws my friend

 

It's kind of important. If your only authority is the Bible then you can stretch any kind part of scripture to fit your narrative. We see plenty of people who say that the Bible isn't against homosexual acts (just do a google search) or any other random thing you can think of. Heck, the whole of Christianity was against contraception (including Protestants) until the 20th century and now every single Christian church is pro-contraception except Catholics and Orthodox (who are not 100% united on this issue). Protestant churches can and do change their beliefs on a dime. Catholics do not and cannot (although this pope is certainly trying hard to).

 

You're saying or at least insinuating that pedophilia was permissible. That the bible condones and accepts it. Married young is not pedophilia, it's marrying young. No culture that survives finds pedophilia acceptable. The society will fall apart with that level of immorality. Children are the future adults. If you damage them in their youth [pedophilia] they will be damaged adults and that society will eventually fall apart. Immoral, mentally diseased, imbalanced, etc.

Thou shall not murder thy brother is not license to kill everyone else. Maybe you're not deliberately misreading things, maybe you really want to deceive people? For the new testament, you can find the original Greek words used you can get a very good definition of what the word actually means. You don't need to make up your own definitions that suit your pleasure or outlook on life, you don't have to guess you can look it up.

Your claim that "fornication" doesn't include sex with multiple partners, children, and jacking off to porn, but only the acts listed in that chapter in Leviticus is entirely unfounded.

I'm not talking about the book of Romans I'm talking about the entire new testament. It's constantly condemning sexual immorality, pleasure seeking, selfishness, lust, etc.


Asceticism. Again your claiming water isn't wet. Being forsaken by friends family, forsaking wealth, abstaining from fleshly pleasures, fasting, self-discipline, and of course, the simplest explanation of all being "christ like"


I'm not going to argue this anymore as it's a stupid argument, and I'm shocked that anyone thinks you have a point. I assume those people have never read the bible. You're arguing that water isn't wet, or that the KKK likes Jews and blacks and that their written dogma is evidence of this. There is no point arguing about it. Do I need to post some scientific studies that show water is wet? Do I need to quote scientists that agree water is wet?



Maybe someone more articulate than me can set this straight because I don't seem to be doing a very good job of it. Although really I probably should have just ignored your original post.

 

I'll just ignore all the religious nonsense that's come up in this thread and answer your question, Blue Ocean. Some folks have way too much time on their hands. But I guess that's why they're jerking off!

Okay, sex before marriage? Here there's two extremes. You have people jumping into bed with each other on the first date which is harmful in so many ways. Then you have people not having sex until their wedding night. Both are damaging in their own regards. Sex and the intimacy involved around it is a big part of a relationship between two people. If there's no chemistry at all there, your relationship is going to be in trouble. Some people don't find this out until after they're married. In my opinion, and this is only the opinion that I've come to with whatever wisdom, knowledge, and insight Jesus has provided me with, I'd say that two people in a serious relationship should be able to explore each other and experience intimacy. Of course, obviously it depends on many factors and there's no one size, fits all. But there you have it.

 

This thread is about religious "nonsense". If you want to start your own religion, who's trying to stop you, but the Christian religion is supposed to be based on the bible not what you figure out for yourself and what you think Jesus has shown you.

 

Wrong. It's based on a relationship with Jesus. And the Messiah wasn't starting a new religion. He was inviting people into a relationship with God. Scripture is essential to that, yes, but it's not what the 'religion' is based on. Deep exploration of scripture is Jesus showing you the way.

You wrote that you're not a Christian and therefore haven't experienced the radical and transforming love of Jesus Christ. So I'm confused as to why you think I'm trying to start a new religion.

 

if you masturbate you will get sent to hell and satan is going to rape your ass with spikes on his dick for eternity.

 

If he didn't start a new one, what religion is it then?

 

The Christian Religion is about the Church, the Mystical Body of Christ, which gave the Bible. Its not like God sent angels with a posit-it note which listed which bookes are scripture and which ones aren't. The clergy of the early Church wrote the New Testament, compiled which bookes would make up the Bible, and then declared it the Word of God. Without the Church's declaration of which books are inspired and which ones aren't 2 Timothy 3:15-17 is absolutely useless. It's ironic that so many Christians deny the authority of the Church while at the same time calling the Bible the Word of God, which they couldn't have done without the Church's authority. It's not like the scriptures they use were the only ones floating around back then. There was the Gospel of Peter which never made it into the canon. The Gospel of Thomas, and many others. Who do Christians think decided which ones were inspired and which ones weren't?

Bible Christianity didn't even exist until way after the invention of the printing press. Even Judaism had both Scripture and Oral Tradition and was not strictly scripture only.

 

Good question, friend. I believe he was setting us free from religion. The world then, much as it is now, was consumed by religion. Jesus wasn't interested in religious dogma and knowing about God. He was interested in completely transforming lives and bringing people into relationship with God. I believe we should be inviting people to experience this. When you have something so incredible, you want other people to get in on it. That's why I say 'religious nonsense', because no amount of dogma is going to turn a crack addict into a loving father that's successful in anything he dedicates himself toward and with a peace of mind that nothing can take away. Only Jesus can do that.

 

This would be wrong since Christ didn't come to end Religion. He came to fulfill it and perfect it. Christianity is the fullfilemt of Judaism. Everything God instituted in the OT is fulfilled perfectly in Christ who is the NT. There is still sacrifice (Christs), priests, oral tradition, scripture, the patriarch put in place as a visible head of God to his people (Chair of Moses now the Chair of Peter), etc. God is unchanging. Nothing He starts has an ending. He couldn't start a Religion and then change His mind later down the road.

 

What are you basing this on? The Hebrew bible is older than the new testament who is to say who actually wrote it, and if those are the original texts and what books got omitted? Basically what you are reading is just what some Rabbi selected for you to read.

How do you know "Christ came to end religion"? Your knowledge of Christ comes from the bible, otherwise, you would not know of his existence. You're quoting Christ from the New testament. You're just cherry picking verses you like and discrediting others you don't like.

You said the "clergy of the early church wrote the new testament". You're saying it's a fraud, yet you still believe the new testament?

The new testament is accredited to the apostles who supposedly were divinely inspired by God when they wrote the New testament. Paul, John, Peter, Luke, etc. The apostles wrote the 4 gospels as well. Do those somehow hold more weight than the epistles?

 

Luke and Mark were not Apostles.

 

Of course the Hebrew Bible is older than the New Testament! However, the Hebrew canon wasn't officially declared until somewhere around 70ad-100 ad. Christians were already in existence at that time and so the Hewbrew canon omitted books which were officially held by the Jews who became Christians. Later, Christians after the Protestant revolt, removed the OT books, as well as some NT books. However, in the early Protestant Bibles these books were included but now have since been left out in later versions. This is why the Bible Catholics use has more books than the one Protestants use. It was the early Church which decided which OT books were inspired, not a rabbi.

I never said He came to end religion.

The Apostles and disciples of the apostles were the early clergy, bud! They held offices of leadership which were refilled or succeeded by another once the original member left. We see this happening when Matthias replaces Judas' office of leadership in the book of Acts. The Gospels were written by disciples and Apostles.