P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

Yes, it is possible to take longer, sadly we can only tell if you go 1-1,5 years totally P free, or you go in an enviroment where you are not triggered at all for few weeks, and if you notice suddenly you feel better, with less inflamitation then bingo.

But that would mean a place where you never PMOed, no situation that made you pmo in past, no tools that you used for pmoing etc.

We are not doctors we can not be sure, maybe there are other health related issue that cause your inflamitation problems, and withdrawal caused stress increase these problems, or maybe altogether it is caused by withdrawal.

 

My symptoms start dying out but still persistent. The worst is I'm still unable to function like go back to work, enjoy things, PIED, tremors, Nerves damages, brain fog, body parts uneven, constipation....
What start to get better is cognitive impairment like I was an another world while at the same time can't function normally in that world.

 

So you think it's impossible to recover while possibly being addicted to other things? I been almost 3 months pmo free, but I still consume quite a lot of sugar though maybe not as much as in the past. I just find it impossible to get by not having anything sweet in this persistent zombified state. You think I should just cut sugar out my diet all together? I believe my biggest problem to this date is frequent wet dreams. I've had 10 so far during this streak and they seem to happen once every week. Sometimes even twice a week. I can feel the intense dopamine rush similar to when I PMO so they are most likely screwing my brain to a certain extent. I've tried all of the techniques reccommended on here to avoid wet dreams but they just keep happening. You think it's possible to stop them? I'm hoping they will go away after some time.

 

What kind of tremors do you experience? My left index finger started twitching frequently today and it's freaking me out

 

I know when I post in this thread I only ever speak about my social anxiety and brain dull aching. It's just as these are the most debiitating for my life, everything else can be dealt with.

but I have pretty much every other symptom people list, including tremors, sometimes it can be so bad I struggle to pick things up. And some days its normal. Before I found out about nofap I used to google if I had parkinsons lol. Fuck porn man, kills your whole CNS and neurochemicals and I think its pretty conclusive at this point how many knock on side effects this has on the body. I used to have the worst gas and bowel movements which has pretty much cleared now.

 

This all makes sense to me. I've fallen for the idea of "look but don't touch - it'll be harmless". But it isn't. If you're badly affected enough (ie too many miles on the PMO clock) then any arousal will affect you, but the type of arousal will affect you to different extents and in different ways.

Bottom line, it's all bad, unless you're in rude health to begin with.

 

I think tremors relate to muscle twitches, which I can get all over my body. I've certainly not been the steadiest person in a long time. I have wondered if I've got Parkinsons or something in my more desperate moments, but I do see improvements in these symptoms with longers streaks free from PMO, so I've not got to the point of seeking medical help, because I'm pretty sure I know what it is....!

 

Yeah. First thing that crossed my mind was Parkinsons but I've always been a hypocondriac lol. It is most likely stress and anxiety related, or could be nerve damage due to an overstimulated nervous system

 

So reading aloud 30 minutes before bed not helped?
My other idea is if you able take a very slow walk before sleeping 20-25 minutes outdoor on streets, then once you arrive back go in bed straight. No smartphone, pc, tv etc. I think that can help, if that walk untriggers you before falling in sleep.

 

Hey guys,

I’ve been using this thread as a guidepost for a while now. It’s, to me, the most valuable tool out there when it comes to dealing with and enduring PMO induced PAWs.

I’m 7 months into my current reboot and am still in the throes of hell, but I figure it’s time to join this little community of broken, misfit toys to find some further support. Sometimes the symptoms get so bad that I need to rely on others completely, so I might as well expand my network.

Many of you have unknowingly helped me immensely, and seeing as how my reboot is my world, people who are further along than me are heroes to me. Don Quixote, I’m winking at you right now. Your well thought out, articulate documentation of your experiences has done wonders for my faith in this process. Thanks for the example that you are setting my friend. You’re an excellent writer.

 

Hey brother, good to hear this thread helps you so much. It has helped and is still helping me a lot as well.

Thank you for joining the conversation!

How are your days currently? And, do you mind telling us a little more about your story? As in what kind of symptoms did you experience in the beginning of your reboot, and which are u still experiencing? When did your addiction really take off and what made you stick to your current streak? What were your using habits (how long sessions, any edging, how many times per day, etc)?

Congrats on your 7 months!!

 

For people who have gone 2 years or more and still haven't recovered, look into gang stalking and remote neural monitoring. I know it may sound crazy at first but I suspect it could be a possibility

 

Ill share some honesty things too at nearly 15 months, I've been messaging some girls recently and it's got back to sexting and them sending pics.

It makes my anxiety worse and my brain really aches from it. Its almost impossible to get away from.

The good news is masturbating etc is gone, but the craving for sex, and that escalating to crazy sex is high. Also old habits of sexting and the ritualization as mentioned above are there.

However there is a constant knowing that I shouldnt be doing it, which obviously never used to be there. I think this will be a life long conscious decision to abstain from certain behaviours

 

Yep, that's the way I see it. It's like being a recovering alcoholic - you need to be conscious of the potential to slip every day, and live accordingly. There are recovering alcoholics and drug users who go for 20+ years without a slip, and then one day, they do. However, I don't want to be down about things - the up sides to recovery and abstinence are huge, so it is totally worth it - I see the effort that I put in to recovery as being repaid a 1000 fold in terms of the benefits to my health and well-being.

 

Hey mate, well done for avoiding a potential relapse. Just thought I'd chime in and say I was the same many months back. An unbelievable pressure in the head whenever an adult scene popped up out of nowhere, I think in my case it was based in anxiety because I was disgusted by porn at that point so hated anything that was trying to get in my way of a successful reboot.

Now im plagued by zero symptoms for the most part. As many of you know addiction can run two fold and I had a terrible cigarette habit the last 10 years on and off, drunk copious amounts caffeine, terrible sleep and PMO'ed like a mad man in my day. I'm starting to think my PIED may of just been shit circulation due to the smoking and unhealthy living and no doubt porn thrown in the mix.

Dont know if any of you guys have any similaraties to me but cut it all out and watch the anhedonia fade away.... life is good at the moment, walking over the park every other day (lockdown) amazed at the beauty of nature, like a real subtle enjoyment of it all. I feel like I'm picking myself up after 10+ years of misery with symptoms! It's been scary at times thinking this cos people think im this quiet boy and dont know the real me but the show must go on!

Cheers

 

Dude thanks for chiming in. You have been a godsend at certain times in my nofap journey.
I still think most of your symptoms and the severity of it came from PMO. Because your healing only started after cutting that one out. Then after plateauing for a time you cut out the other dopamine stuff like caffeine etc. and that made it possible to heal all the way.
At least this is what I suspect.

You were going a veeeery long time without PMO so the fact that your symptoms didnt come back full force after some relapse is not so strange actually.

From what I know from my experience is that we tend to forget how bad things actually were.

So good to hear you are doing so good these days!!


All your posts also under your original profile have helped me very very much, mate

 

First off fantastic post.

I dont have any of the debilitating symptoms for now, I cant even remember the last time I had twitches, head pressure etc! I deal with anxiety much better, the clinical depression type feeling has gone and I'm excited about things now, the brain fog is getting better and I am more present than ever. Like you said about how much of it is psychological, I believe you have fully grasped it with the Stockholm analysation! After suffering with this for so long you would be a fool to say that psychological it doesn't impact you especially learned behaviors when you are living in that state. Its all about reconditioning for me now and getting back to normal, sounds silly but I've been trying to do my best and smile at people walking by in the park something as silly as that to get moving in the right direction as you can all understand the anxiety you get at your worst is crippling under it! I really sympathise with your fed up of being fed up mentality and that has now shifted from me entirely! For me drugs (caffeine and nicotine, pmo) seriously fucked me over in the long haul and that was my own path, you must soul search a bit if its more psychological/mental with you!

I'm 110 percent serious in saying I've been on and off with relapses. If you would of told me this two to three years ago what im doing now under the most intense symptoms I would of laughed. And dont take this as to relapse or anything like that because I'm not saying that at all. I was about to date a woman before lockdown and things have happened fast over text and a few pictures, videos have came my way and that gor the best of me. Apart from a lingering tiredness afterwards, the symptoms have not returned or any cognitive defects. I simply get tired now. That is all! I definitely believe we tie ourselves up with the stress induced anxiety in time about it all!

The last bit of your post is spot on. I have felt at times coming out of a long coma to say the least. Creating a new normal or something to that effect. Like life is worth living now. Its both subtle and profund! Accepting a new normal, eating healthy and other positive habits and finding a new direction in the right one you will tie it all up. You are so right about the mind clinging to recoveey day and night it isn't doing you no favours! I was the same for many years! I think after I relapsed at 27 months it helped me understand personally to me that I might be overblowing too much about it all, again dont take that as its fine to go choke the sausage! Go for long walks if you can, clear your mind, stick on a few tunes and get some clarity. It is a massive mind fuck all of this I tell you what I've learned.

You sound like you're nearly there though Don and I am very happy for you mate, all of will make it!

Sorry for any spelling, grammar error on my phone! Sausage fingers!

 

I cannot overstate how much I resonate with your last paragraph. You're are heading in the right direction, believe me.

I firmly believe none of us are broken in the sense that we will get back to normal, whatever the fuck that means. Or getting back to the present, focused and aware! Chronic stress was what got me into nofap 8 or 9 years ago and porn played a significant part in it developing to the extreme. It took me a relapse after 27 months to let go and and realise it all, eventually then I've been silly and had ones here and there but like I said with me the psychological impact of a relapse was more damaging.

Its like your stuck in a continual thought loop i understand what youre saying I was the same! Somehow I have let go off it whether that was time, me dropping ofher bad habits or sleeping better or fuck knows, it does happen! I even think this lockdown helped me in my own journey, jjst to get out and exercise be at one with my thoughts etc!

You will find what works for you, I believe it! Too me it sounds like your on the cusp of this.

Best of luck mate, im not on here a lot nowdays im trying to completely cut this out in all honesty you know let bygones be bygones and all but PM me if you ever need a chat.

 

These POST are gems man...

I can relate to what Don Quixote is saying. For instance, I went to a park 4 miles away from home 2 days ago and I ended up playing soccer w some dudes while I still have social anxiety. Before I began to play, there were 2 thoughts. 1 saying " go have some fun" and the other was like " no you still in the reboot, you're not good yet to socialize." I still went w the first thought though. The reason is, I developed huge agoraphobia 2-3 years ago and kept loosing my cool when playing w other people. The reboot messed up my chemical imbalances, my hormones development. I looked weak and people seemed to hate me. After 3 years rebooting, I started getting some respect back. People who haven't seen me for years called my name out of nowhere.
To emphasize on what Don was saying, I seem to develop normalcy under the reboot and show no sign of life progress. To make it worse, I watched P twice in a week. The symptoms was like " you better stop messing around before you get back to square one."

 

@Don Quixote , from what I gather from your posts, it feels to to me that you have recovered by 95% or more, perhaps even 100%. At the end of the day, only you can pass on this message to your subconscious mind that you have recovered completely. The whole reboot journey is a huge mindfuck in itself and I definitely believe that the daemons we all have faced during our reboot will stay with us for a while even after 100% recovery. The timeline itself is long enough to make us forget what is normal.

If I talk about myself, I never had a panic attack ever in my life before. I had read about it and I used to think that it is just an increased form of anxiety that ppl experience and call it panic attack. I have had countless panic attacks in last 10 months, ALL starting approx 1-2 months after I started my reboot and now i know how fucking awful they are. Do you think those will not haunt me even after I have recovered? At least for a while, they will. They can even put a huge ques mark in my mind regarding my confidence, self image etc and what not. And I can easily confuse it with my PAWS or that I have still not recovered when in actual my mind has recovered and its just the trauma of battling PAWS & experiencing all that shit for a long time which is still haunting me.

I am just giving you an example that enduring PAWS for a long time is a hell in itself which can haunt us even after making full recovery. My PAWS has definitely hurt my confidence, self image etc a lot which I don't expect to come back in one day even after my brain makes full recovery. I feel you are at the point where after walking through hell for this long, you still are feeling the residual heat while you are actually out of hell. As of your cognitive abilities which you have made the center point of your recovery, I feel they are about to be fully switched on soon enough once you let go of this "recovery process". I know from my 13 months reboot process until now, that this recovery in itself takes a huge toll on our minds and you are well beyond 13 months. And I repeat here again that you have finally reached the point where you can let go of this recovery process approach and just pass on this message to your conscious and subconscious that you have fully recovered.

And I dream to be there where you are bro. But I have hope since it is so plain obvious that keeping away from porn, PMO is the only way forward. I have experienced the same tingling sensation, rush, pressure in the brain which many are talking about, whenever I see even a glimpse of half naked/hot stuff. Actually, I sometimes even feel it when I see a hot girl wearing not very revealing dress. And yes, you are at the most dangerous point regarding relapse. Full libido raging, withdrawals are gone, good days, memory of painful recovery fading etc. This is the perfect recipe of relapse which you have to be very very very careful for.

Also, don't just go out of the window thinking that you don't need to post on this forum since you have recovered. We need long term rebooters like you who have recovered. They are in short supply already, dare I say, almost non existent. We have 90 day gods running around fucking everyone just like the ones we watched in porn for so many years.