Atheists, God and the afterlife.

A group for members of all religions, or no religion at all, to talk about religion

  1. EasyR

    EasyR New Fapstronaut

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    I’m Jewish, Religion the way I look at it is controlled my human beings and if it’s true there’s a god, God Looks at this world and says hey men I didn’t give you all these rules baundries, some humans made up their own things, I’m someone who’s pretty much confused, but I have no much guilt these days, I believe someone brought me to this world, there is someone that created all this, but does he really do everything? Did he make me pick up the prostitute one Saturday (Shabbat) ? Does he love most the Jews? Is he raises???? Something doesn’t make sense with Judaism I grew up with, I think all religions have their own sh.. coming with it, said calmly,
     
  2. Brokenman123

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    Well men right now are fallible and imperfect so God was fallible and imperfect?
     
  3. gabriel80546

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    sorry im just posting to see my counter
    but yeah i don't believe that god exists
     
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  4. The_Simple_Fool

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    The important thing is believe...If u believe in GOD, u need to be a proper devotee, the one who prays to him not for your own needs and do as HE said like feeds the poor or help other person. if u don't, then u fail to be a devotee. If u are an atheist and u try to prove there is no god by humiliating him or other people who have faith in HIM, the you fail to be a proper soul. let everyone walk in their own believe because the believe is what sets a person in his path but i didn't mean all beliefs. some people still believe climate change is not real :), let's set those people apart.

    nowdays, religion has been converted from knowledge into a tool by rich and powerful people for their own gain. every religion tell us to love and show our compassion and caring to other people. let we not indulge in to war
     
  5. signmeup

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    I have been through the religion mill and those who say, ‘if you worship god and he doesn’t exist then the worse thing that could happen is that you forgo some pleasures in life’ really do not understand the impact of organised religion on individuals or the world stage.

    If god exists then he must be appalled by the atrocities and injustices undertaken in his name.

    When two nations go to war and both claim his protection then how can he fairly judge an individual?

    My mother was a devout Catholic but when I was older I joined a Pentecostal church, one of the teachings; Catholics pray to Mary, the only way to heaven is through Jesus, therefore my mother would be going to hell... sorry if one as devout as my mother is cursed to hell then there is no hope for anyone.

    So what has organised religion taught me?

    There is only one god and the way to heaven is like an eternal game of Russian Roulette, you better hope when you pull the trigger that you’ve backed the right god.

    You can live an upright life without religion, treat others as you would like to be treated however if you’re a masochist this may not be the best advice.

    I want to change my porn habit because I know that for me it is harmful, it affects my wellbeing and impacts on my relationships, perhaps there is a smattering of Catholic guilt, I don’t know but at the end of the day it has nothing to do with wanting to please a higher being.

    That’s my rant, thanks for listening.
     
  6. md70

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    i love spirituality, something beyond matter and most of religions BUT at the end i'm an atheist and i don't like being one!! when using my mind i can't accept any religion, i think faith is something blind u can't teach faith to others because it must be in u, u don't need to believe in Gravity we can feel it and we can't deny it but when we get to religion and faith it is not possible, u can't prove religion nor god nor anything metaphysical, u just have to believe and faith is something that u can't ask question about it and i can't accept it even though i like it's concept!
     
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  7. I agree with a lot what you said but I would disagree about not asking questions. Jesus seemed to imply that we should ask questions. There are several places in the Bible where God is questioned.
     
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  8. aburameshotaro

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    I was at this same stage. I was born as a Catholic, if there is a way can be born as anything except human being. You know what I mean. I was raised in Catholic family. Everything was good. Only my grandma was practising and going to church every sunday. Rest of the family didn't care that much. For them it was important to believe in God and be a good person. At one point I thought: "where are you, God?". And I couldn't find the answer for that question. During my conversation with a friend we come up with an idea that there are some clues, which are indicating that God exists for example Bible, wonders, life itself etc. Then there was a time I didn't believe in anything. I was happy to accept the reality as I saw it without any further spiritual content. I also felt I was missing something. But I couldn't find the answer in the church, which I tried few times. I came across two women in England. They told about Nichiren Buddhism and I promised myself I will try. I never regret that decision. I think everybody can find a religion that is just perfect for him and his beliefs. And what are mine? Science, concrete evidence, facts. I tested it and I am happy to practise it and improve my life through it. I feel about in the same way I feel about Gravity. I don't exactly know how it works, yet I can see the results of it.
     
  9. Brokenman123

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    Sorry man but it looks Christianity is true and that Jesus is the only way to the heaven and the sole author of eternal salvation. I was a skeptic too but I looked into it and it looks like Christianity is true... I mean there are still a ton of unanswered questions that no one can seem to answer but it looks like Christ is the only way to heaven. It's either He was crazy, He was lying, or He was God and given the success of the Christian movement against all odds, I think it's safe to say that it's true.
     
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  11. Brokenman123

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    Lol funny, I see what you did there but the fact that the Christian movement survived against all odds with so many competing religions... it was unlikely that it would have survived yet it did and that made it seem true to me.
     
  12. Brokenman123

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    Another reason why the gospels seem true is because of the fact that the men died, were beaten, went to prison etc for their beliefs... why would you die for something you know to be a lie?
     
  13. I think we should say all religions are true and all religions aren't true. You can know God without believing in God.
     
  14. Thousands have chosen death over giving up on their beliefs whether those beliefs were religious, political or economic doctrines. Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Hindus, Ba'athis, communists, anti-communists, Nazis, anti-fascists, Jacobins, separatists... Clearly, not all of those people could have been right.
     
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  15. Brokenman123

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    That's an inclusivistic view isn't it? I thought Christianity was exclusive in its truth claims...
     
  16. Brokenman123

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    Yeah but people normally accuse the disciples of creating Christianity and inventing the resurrection and stuff in order to gain money, power etc but if you look at it the disciples had everything to lose from what they were claiming, they were beaten, imprisoned, tortured, mocked etc. Why would a person put themselves through all of that for something they knew was a lie?
     
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  17. Drock989

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    for me, religion and ''god'' is something I struggle with, I was raised Roman catholic but it was forced on me so I learned to despise religion, because a)it was forced and b) how could so much trauma be placed on me as a child if he were true.? I have brought up my concerns with my sa sponsor because so much of the program revolves around ''god''. he told me not to worry about it right now. I tried to tell him that I plainly do not believe anyone has any role in my life and that I believe that ''god'' and religion is nothing but a scape goat to eliminate the fact of taking absolute full accountability but it's ok to do so because it's religion. but that's just me, I do believe that it can definitely help people but for me it just seems like nonsense, bible was written by man and also religion,

    just my opinion
     
  18. Again, I'm not disputing the fact that some religious people's faith is honest. What I'm saying is that they could be wrong (and given their reasoning they almost certainly are). There are thousands of people today who insist that the Earth is flat or that Elvis Presley is still alive - some even on this fucking forum! What do they have to gain? Nothing, they're just stupid.

    When it comes to the 12 Apostles specifically, the only evidence of their existence is the Bible which is not the most trustworthy source. But let's say those people existed and were deeply convinced of Jesus' magic. Is that enough for you to make such a giant leap of faith? Some of the companions of Muhammad (who unlike the twelve apostles are confirmed historical figures) faced the same oppression yet they would tell you they saw Muhammad split the Moon in two parts. Well, I'm not buying it, sorry.
     
  19. Brokenman123

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    Why do you say they're almost certainly wrong?
    Sure they don't have anything to gain but they can be safe in making their claims since they don't have to worry about being beaten, tortured, imprisoned etc
    I think there is extrabiblical evidence eg. there's evidence that Thomas went to India, James took over the church from Jesus, the apostle Paul etc
    Well the Bible does say that those who believe without seeing are blessed, it's the essence of faith
     

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