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Feel Good Cool Worship or Hymns and Hard Seats?

  1. Feel Good Cool Worship?

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  2. Hymns and Hard Seats?

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  3. I don't even care!

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  1. Max Fisher

    Max Fisher Fapstronaut

    @vxlccm were you cradle LDS or a convert? What are your thoughts on FLDS? Do they follow false prophets?

    If you dont care to discuss, no biggie, you wont hurt my feelings. :)
     
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  2. vxlccm

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    Can we take that or those up on in a separate thread, Max? If you don't mind kicking individual questions off, post it as a question or a statement and I'll totally respond at length. Kind of like my "Trinity" thread was a little instant debate fodder. Or, if you'd prefer the inquiry style.

    As to my personal life experience with faith and religion, I will make a post in my journal.

    @Mr. McMarty you've been exposed to some of my patriotic views regarding America. And, with all zeal due any revolutionary libertarian I assure you my full enthusiasm for supporting all mankind in their respective religious freedoms and faiths. For me, it is only the atheist that is difficult to understand. And, the faithless agnostic that is difficult to reckon. While I respect their right to their views, I am always concerned there is a heavy price to pay for ignoring their conscience which I know God gives all men.

    Let us continue to inspire one another to search out our faith and honor our conscience. We've all been stung by sin. You have all the support I can give :)

    While professing Christians testify of Christ and have joy in Christ, I do believe there is joy in every small thing which is good and virtuous. A courageous Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, and so forth of any faith remains a friend indeed as we together champion our knowledge of the reality of God. Many grow in their faith as they have opportunity to come closer to a knowledge about Jesus' teachings and the reality of his resurrection.

    NoFap is an amazing movement and I hugely respect those of all faiths and no faiths that are here to combat the scourge of pornography, most of us unfortunately having tasted what I term the evil thereof. Until the bitter end, as warriors we fight together, brothers at arms.
     
  3. Max Fisher

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    Hazzah! I was ready to raise my sword and charge down the hill! Well said.
     
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  4. PJT

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    Virgo = Virgin Mary. The virgo is inseminated during the spring equinox. What's 9 months after the spring equinox? Christmas. That's why we associate Christ's bday in this society with that date. I read through your articles and it just saying that someone else is putting Jesus' bday on or around January 6. The gospels make no mention of his bday, which should make us all pause and ask ourselves why we even celebrate his bday to begin with.

    Washington DC is between Virginia and Maryland = Virgin Mary. Mother goddess statues are erected in DC. Columbia = dove. The dove is a concept within the babylonian mystery school system. Us Americans are living in modern day Babylon.

    Son and Sun is the connection in the babylonian mystery school system.

    Beyonce wore a freaking baphomet ring when she did the Super Bowl halftime show...Antonio Brown has two goat rings LOL. Like literally two gold encrusted rings with a goat head. This stuff is not all happenstance. I can go on for days about the entertainment industry but i just giving you two blatant examples. The catholic church is just as much a part of the public conscience and they are teaching babylonion mystery school teachings unbeknownst to the churches followers.
     
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  5. Max Fisher

    Max Fisher Fapstronaut

    What is the true faith that will save us?
     
  6. PJT

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    The Most High is the savior. A king James Bible is what we need to study and arm ourselves with. The Bible is a book of history geneology and prophecy and law. If we want to be saved we have to adhere to laws.

    For example we are not supposed to eat pork we are not supposed to drink blood or eat humans ...yet we as a society love pork and these fast food restaurants probably serve us human meat. The laws are stipulated right there in the bible. We just need to adhere to them. There is only one God and he is right and just.
     
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  7. Max Fisher

    Max Fisher Fapstronaut

    Ok. Dont eat pork or people and read the KJV. Stoning for disobeying parent? Sacrifices at the temple or at home?
     
  8. PJT

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    Where does it state to die by stoning for disobeying you parent and what sacrifices are you talking about? Can you cite this?

    But you most definitely should obey your parents. The clear context of obeying your parents is that they are good people of sound mind. I understand that in this world that may not be the case, your parents might just be some real a$$holes. But that is only happening bc we are near the end times or a mass correction is about to be undertaken. Most families lost all semblance of culture. We have to preserve and adhere to a culture. Thelema or how Alistair Crowley puts it 'do what thou wilt' is not the culture we should be adhering too but dominates western society.

    A lot of people think the bible is bunch of nonsense; for example i believe Noah and his kids lived like 500 years after the flood if not longer. Well the law of thermodynamics states that energy dissipates over time. Maybe the ancient people simply had more energy than us and that's why this was possible back then?. My point is at some point there is an element of faith and belief in what you are reading.
     
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  9. Max Fisher

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    Deuteronomy 21 18-21

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2021%3A18-21&version=KJV&interface=amp

    Leviticus 5

    Starting around here. Do I do the sacrifice myself at home or I have to take it to the temple and a priest?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+5-7&version=KJV&interface=amp
     
  10. PJT

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    You are supposed to take it to the Tabernacle or the priest. The turtle doce or pigeon is to represent the mother goddess and the ram is the father god (cush).

    I addressed the sinful child. Clearly it speaks of a son that is raging with evil. If you have a son in this day and age who is violent and or a sexual deviant you keep him alive and then he eventually commits a crime? That's the other option.
     
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  11. PJT

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    I think someone addressed the offerings however prior in this thread. If I am not mistaken Jesus sacrificing his life was the ultimate sacrifice and the end to the offerings. i could be wrong, i haven't gotten through the new testament recently and a lot of it i cannot recall/remember at all.
     
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  12. Max Fisher

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    Isnt the Tabernacle at the temple? Aren't the priests at the Temple in Jerusalem? Wasn't the temple destroyed?

    How do I make the sacrifices correctly if I live in the US? How are my sins forgiven?
     
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  13. Max Fisher

    Max Fisher Fapstronaut

    Yes this is right.

    Are you Christian? This is probably the part you want to read thoroughly. Why is the KJV so important to you?
     
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  14. PJT

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    why is it important? bc it's the most thorough complete bible.from what i have gathered . I was born Catholic. A lot of these texts have been tampered with and translations lost.

    When I get to the new testament i will read it thoroughly, but right now my interests have always been about the origins of Earth, history and why everything in the present is completely backwards.
     
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  15. Max Fisher

    Max Fisher Fapstronaut

    Thorough and complete, as in not lacking anything? It is 7 books short of what is included in the Catholic canon. All of them removed from the Old Testament, the part you are reading. There were reasons for this that you can read about and decide for yourself, but I'd argue it's less complete.

    KJV - "James gave the translators instructions intended to ensure that the new version would conform to the ecclesiology of, and reflect the episcopal structure of, the Church of England and its belief in an ordained clergy. The translation was done by 47 scholars, all of whom were members of the Church of England."

    Sounds like tampering to me...although I do like the phrasing the the King James. It doesn't get much more epic then this:

    "And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."
     
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  16. vxlccm

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    All biblical scriptures and references have issues. Some aren't "proveable" in the scientific sense. Except to agree on a metric for margin of error. Numerically speaking, when we know that people are imperfect, and we know that people wanted to influence the translation and copyings over time, we can easily say that after several rounds of rework and recapitulation and reiteration... there is no doubt in my mind at all that the bible contains errors as compared to the original intent.

    Another huge factor here is how Moses testified of Jesus, but those scriptures became lost to the Jews. It's easy to contemplate that Noah has scriptures before that, from Adam perhaps. And yet we don't inherit those from Abraham, but from Moses. We reference the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And yet, why do we not have direct scripture from those great fathers of our faith? Why are ten tribes lost since David and Levites diminished not long after, and the Priesthood nearly lost by Zecharias, before Jesus time? Because of intentional intrigue among Israel and later among Jews!!

    With all that we know, accepting error is tacit. It is an irreversible conclusion. All who respect the Protestant movement must necessarily acknowledge that very much or nearly ALL was wrong in the established order of religion according to Catholics and catechisms and creeds and indulgences and sin-eaters and idols and polluted symbols and superstitions and saints... to name only a few of the great errors of the behemoth.

    Back to King James. I do believe the mandate was fraught with influence, but also that it was not an undue correction from the many errors of Catholicism. I also think it is easy to see with a historical 20-20 lens that an immense good was accomplished through this Bible in English spread further across the world than ever thought possible before that time it was conceived. Much respect to the KJV. And, yes, accepting of a margin of error, both in selection, in translation, in sources, and in intent. Howbeit we are all human and the work itself is of immense value to all mankind.
     
  17. need4realchg

    need4realchg Fapstronaut

    Just wanted to point out , the sanctuary system had multiple terms that might be best briefly explained. The portable, scaled down version that was created out of the Israelites sacrificing their jewelry for God to build the gold needed and what was carried around during Moses’ time as a leader (tabernacle), The local places where Israelites would gather prior to making an annual trip to Jerusalem would have been called: (synagogue), but the physical large structure— was only one location for the “temple” that David wanted to build but Solomon only did.

    It was reconstructed by Nehemiah after being destroyed in the days of Daniel. The temple is where Jesus was lost as a boy, the temple is what was literally desecrated with the end of the 70 year prophecy by Romans as recorded by Josephus the Roman historian.

    When the kingdom of Israel splits in two pieces, Jeroboam has built a false temple in the north (Samaria) is to give the 10 tribes a closer and alternative approach to worship; this temple was not as glamorous as Solomon’s and he also had 2 golden calves hand built for it. The idea of “I can worship God how I want” creates a syncretic religion of Judaism and false worship; m by the time of Jesus’ arrival to Israel, these traditions created a deep divide between the descendants of Israel who were married with their conquerers the Assyrians, and the “pure Israelites who prided themselves on genealogical and theological purity.”

    Paul says the earthly sanctuary was modeled on the heavenly one. Jesus said he would destroy the temple in 3 days and raise it up again. Given Jesus didn’t destroy the building , the implication is that the stone temple “focus” moved to a living “flesh” concept. Thus further underscores the new covenant that Christ came to fully establish.

    As Jesus also indicates, the living sanctuary requires a living priest “who seeks to make intercession for us at the hand of the father daily”.

    Provided we understand Christ’s role as high Priest, we also therefore understand the obsolete nature of earthly priests who cannot intercede for us more fully than the sacrificial lamb himself. Could they function — symbolically yes, we are to be a “priesthood” of believers. It’s like having a type writer now when we have tablets... that tech and that way is rendered obsolete.

    In the return of Christ, revelation described the closing scenes where the most sanctuary is filled with smoke, no one can go in or come out, where he who is holy remains holy still, he who is unholy remains unholy still, another way of saying this is that Grace is finished, the smoke representing the holy spirit filling the temple so that no man (souls) can be go in (be saved) after this point.

    It is here that Christ the High priest removes his priestly garments and replaces them with kingly garments, bears his the sword and descends to earth in a visible manifestation accompanied by angels and loud trumpets receive to Himself the people he died for, interceded for, and who in return loved not their lives unto death and are spotless in character, “perfected” through trials to be translated or risen from the dead.

    The physical location of a temple is found where The DESIGNER of the temple remains— not necessarily a crumbling wall in modern day Jerusalem. He says “where 2 or 3 are gathered “, that is where the author of Faith is. That’s where the temple is presently.

    The final scenes of the new heaven and new earth depict the holy city coming down as adorned for a bride. The king chooses to live with us, so again there is no need for more veils... more separation between God and his people. Immanuel would now literally be “withIN us”.
     
  18. vxlccm

    vxlccm Fapstronaut

    @PJT the KJV is important to me, as well.

    To clarify my perspective, KJV is not an inerrant document, imho. But, a historically sound effort which is the best available. The very idea that so many "translations" have blossomed kind of proves that there may be issues with it, and perhaps even in the selection of books. Yet, it remains the most solidly proclaiming of the ails of wickedness, making the fewest excuses for sins, and sounds the most like the true word of God to me of any other biblical canon composition. I will not supplant it in my lifetime.
     
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