Do women like short men? (conversation from "how old and tall are you" thread)

Sure, I wasn't assuming it's different for her. Didn't mean to make that case.

 

Geez, this thread is way off topic!

 

I disagree. If you want to discuss other stuff, start your own thread, don't hijack someone else's.

 

Yes heaven forbid a topic in the "off topic" gets off topic

 

@Zerg Prosecutor, I want to commend you on your willingness to seek out answers and your ability to be receptive and process conflicting answers.

I don't think you are correct. If you had created your own properly titled thread, my guess is there would be more than 4 people (myself, you, wildwood, and limeaid) participating in the conversation. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your perspective), this conversation has gone in a refreshing direction with a lot of back and forth, and thus, ditching it and starting a new conversation in a new thread would be annoying. But... I bet if you nicely asked a moderator, they would be happy to move the relevant posts to a newly created thread. That would have the benefit of enabling other fapstronauts who have similar questions to learn and participate in the conversation. I doubt someone wanting to have this conversation would read a long thread about people's heights expecting to find this conversation.

I agree that those 3 types of people exist. But... I really don't think those categories account for a majority of the types of women in the world. In my opinion, women are much more interesting and complicated then those 3 categories. Here are some other categories... 4. really good looking women who don't know they are good looking yet because they have a bad internal image of themselves, 5. women who don't really give a shit what everyone else thinks and thus will date whoever they damn well please, 6. women who know they are good looking but refuse to dress to societal expectations so that they don't get all of the attention that comes with it, 6. and the list goes on.

Unless it is a documentary, I really don't think it is a good idea for movies to 'teach' you too much. I mean... movies are great for finding inspiration and motivation, but, using a movie to come to the conclusion that there is a significant portion of the population that feels a certain way, is probably not wise.

It depends on the woman. For many women (maybe a majority), looks are very important, but for many women it has a low priority. You are doing yourself a disservice if you always focus on how you perceive a majority of women in the world behave. I mean... is your plan to change your own behavior in such a way that you optimize your looks and behavior so that you have maximized your success rate with women? I hope this is not your plan. Unfortunately, by inferring from things that you write, you seem to have a desire to figure out what a majority of women want and then you plan to give it to them. Do you realize this means you will have to compromise yourself to do this? You will have to hide certain unique characteristics that make you the best you, because, a majority of the population does not like those characteristics. Hiding those unique characteristics will cause you to never learn to embrace them and learn how to use them to your advantage. Do you really want to become someone who is chasing the latest popular fashions because that is what the majority of world finds attractive? Don't do that, you will look back and find that everything that made you interesting has disappeared and has been replaced with bland pop culture.

Back to your question though... "How much can you compensate for your looks?". A ton. A metric shit ton. I am not saying looks don't matter, but, compared to everything else, it is not as if they are the most important thing. I would go as far as saying confidence is more important than looks. Being able to add excitement, intrigue, novelty, fun, etc. into your potential girlfriends life is just as important as looks. As you get older (late 20s), security will become more important than looks.

I agree with @Limeaid's sentiment that there needs to be an initial attraction. Something about you needs to cause a women to be attracted. You will need to meet a minimum level of attractiveness for that women to get your foot in the door. Your question has an underlying meaning though... you seem to assume that the things that women find attractive in a man are unchangeable. This is not true. If a women finds confidence attractive (which most women do), you can improve your confidence. Or... let's say you have maximized your looks by working out, getting some sun, dressing nice... you can't get any better looking. The women you desire might not find you good looking enough. But, what if she found out that you were a bad ass musician, then, all of sudden she would be attracted to you. Or, what if one of her friends told her about this hilarious joke you made during lunch the other day, and the girl all of sudden realized you had a sense of humor that she thought didn't exist.

Like all relationships in life though... once someone forms an opinion about you, it is harder to get them to reevaluate that opinion. It is possible, but, you usually have to do something that shocks that person out of their initial opinion. Or... you can go away for a while (like the summer break).

There are publicly visible traits that you have that affect your attractiveness (i.e. looks, confidence, public humor, public actions) and there are privately attractive traits (i.e. intelligence, your ability to love and be loved, private humor, private actions). This is good to understand, because, let's say you are awesome at playing the piano. Many women would find your piano skills attractive, but, most women would never know about your skills because you rarely have a chance to play the piano in public.

This conversation is starting to sound more like... "Can you all help @Zerg Prosecutor figure out how to improve his chances of getting laid without having to act like a dick in the process?". I could help you with that... but, I don't want too. Why? Because it's a shallow endeavor and I don't want to spend time helping someone else succeed in such an empty endeavor. Sure, as you have suggested, there are women out there who just want to get laid too, but, in general, I usually don't associate with people whose primary motive force in life is sex. I find those people boring and my time could be better spent elsewhere.

 

Yes, please do. You have my enthusiastic support to have all irrelevant posts removed from this thread.

 

Done.

 

Thanks! =)

 

@Zerg Prosecutor, you posted in the old thread, but, I'll respond to it here...

With regard to your comments about the different types of women in the world:
You gave 3 awfully specific descriptions of women's behavior. I gave 3 more. In a way, we listed 6 extreme ways for someone 'to be'. Most people would not fully fall into any one of those 6 categories. They would fall somewhere in the gray area between all 6. People are complicated and we can't easily put them and their behaviors into predefined boxes. I guess I was trying to make the point that it is complicated and that your 3 categories were too simplistic.

"I meant the critical reception of the book not the book itself.
My logic was this...if fifty shades of grey weren't accurate in depicting an accurate view of women's desires and sexuality it would have never achieved such a tremendous popularity. The numbers that this book made are just ridiculous. There are thousands upon thousands of positive reviews from women all over the internet, of course there are negative too but the percentages are not balanced at all."
Yeah, that is a better way of looking at it. But... I still don't understand how you can make judgments about how a majority of society feels based on people's reviews of a movie. I understand that the reviews might make you start asking questions about what is going on in society, but, I don't understand how you could conclude that since a majority of the movie reviews were positive, that a majority of women in society want to be sexually submissive.

 

Sorry, but I just can't resist giving my two pennies worth. Please....I saved up a long for those two coins

Hey Zerg Prosecutor,

Don't put yourself yourself down. You have as much a right to post what you want as anyone else and anywhere you want. If people have a problem with so called 'highjacking' anothers thread, then they should go create a private conversation. This is an open forum after all.

 

From a evolutionary point of view, a taller man often displays themselves as being well fed, often strong and more room within the body to support larger genitals vital to successful reproduction therefore carrying idealised appropriate genes. The standards of who and what is considered *short* will change as people's height fluctuates over time.

Additionally, both being tall and short comes with caveats and benefits, tall people are often indicative of a prosperous society due to a abundance of calories and nessecary food to allow them to grow, but naturally having a larger mass puts them at risk to injury, predators (generally this can apply to a lot of different things rather than animals, including other humans) and the enviroment. Being short is perhaps the opposite but applies a lot of beneficial aspects to survival such as a easier time hiding, less resource intake etc. Both of these factors are maximized with human ingenuity and technology to make most of these risks irrelevant.

Taller women on the other hand experience the same phenomenon as men, as long legs are associated with childbearing capabilities for example and are not that set apart from men on the frontier of tall and short differences.

Its mainly the human psyche and cultural ideals that help blur the evolutionary focus as well as social taboos like eugenics that stop us from following and directing ourselves to strict procedure. Every human holds the right (before this is taken out of context, remember to apply circumstances afterwards) to procreate with who they choose for the purposes of love, self-satisfaction including also power, money and social status (ask the austrian hapsberg royal line about their chins)

 

How the hell did it turn from a "Do women like short men?" to a debate on "Do women like nice men?"

A tl;dr by someone would be awesome.

 

TL;DR to the question: Depends. Just like everything else in relationships. What did you expect, really?

TL;DR: for solutions (height or otherwise) Instead of focusing on your shortcomings, though, focus on 1. being different, standing out in some way and 2. getting better as a person everyday. I think that's what @JustADude was getting at...

 

A tl;dr as to how it turned into a different discussion. I'm a little over 6'0 so this post doesn't really apply to me I guess. In any case, I am not sure if matters as much to women. I don't think women stop dating short men or go out only with the tall ones. Being tall is probably only a feature they expect in their ideal man. A notion created and perpetuated by everything that surrounds us from literature to media. It's like saying a tall, fair woman with ample breasts and hips is what every woman should aspire to.

Edit: FYI, totally comfortable with my body and the way I look. I would like to gain some weight but that's cause I'm underweight and that's not good for my health.