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Does recovery have an end?

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by hokipa, Jan 25, 2023.

  1. hokipa

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    Hi community, I keep reading from different rebooters that recovery’s not linear and I can get it, cause in the last couple of months I had horrible withdrawals weeks, now some days it’s actually better and I almost feel like I‘ve always been in terms of psychological sensations (besides some moments in which my mind seems disconnected but I guess it’ll pass with time) anyway my question is

    if recovery’s not linear and I feel better for some time then very bad afterwards, how do I know when my mood has reached a stable situation? And, consequentially, I’m fully recovered?

    Because right now I’m scared that after good days bad withdrawals may come, I mean, does this emotional cycle of alternate moods ever stop? Or it’s gonna be like this and I won’t know what to expect in the months to come forever? Hope I was clear
     
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  2. OLLIE_100

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    I think it is different for everyone as it depends on how addicted you were to pmo. Don't worry about that aspect though focus on the fact that each day you go without porn each day you are healing and improving yourself as a certain feeling of emotion doesn't last forever and neither will this. Focus on one day at a time and don't worry about tomorrow or the future as you don't know what will happen focus on the present and all the good things in your life.
     
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  3. oldsurfer

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    I have heard alcoholics say something like; I am 10 years sober. So, if this is what you mean, then maybe we never give up, in this direction we want our lives to go.
     
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  4. hokipa

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    sorry I don’t get what you mean
     
  5. oldsurfer

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    I think you will reach a point in time where it gets easier. But that you can still relapse and be back where you started, if you don't keep deciding not to 'have that one drink'.
     
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  6. mentorr

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    The feeling is unmistakeable - you feel better than you did when you first started.

    But I will also say that I think recovery is different for everybody, simply because we all have different symptoms.
     
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  7. hokipa

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    I get it, so as long as I feel kinda strange mentally speaking (with strange thoughts etc.) I’m not over yet
    So you recovered if you tell me that feeling is a breath of air but can I ask you why do you keep visiting this forum? For staying on track or because you relapsed? If I’m not too indiscreet
     
  8. mentorr

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    The strange thoughts usually reside in your subconscious mind, so the fact that they are coming to your conscious mind AND that you are recognising them is a positive sign of recovery.

    You are more than welcome to ask. 6 months into my recovery I went through a small period of feeling healed - however after attempting sex way too soon, I went back into a long flatline. I also picked up other habits outside of PMO that I think affected my recovery speed (Social Media, Alcohol etc.) When you quit one addiction you have to be careful not to replace it with another.
     
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  9. hokipa

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    I get what you’re saying, I’m 4 months in and had very bad depressive thoughts mixed with a sense of void and hopelesness and anxious weeks during my 3rd month
    now I’m definitely feeling better than those days but strange helpless thoughts which I never experienced in my life occur to my mind sometimes during the day and I’m afraid I won’t be able to get rid of then since my mind produced them and it’s impossible to erase a thought, that’s my biggest fear cause I feel better now but still these thoughts keep me company and I wish they didn’t
     
  10. mentorr

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    What I would say is avoid subscribing to the philosophy that abstaining from PMO will surely cure everything. Do not get me wrong, it should cure most. However it really helps to understand the mechanics of your recovery.

    When you stop PMO'ing (or any addiction for that matter) you are inadvertently allowing whatever you have been ignoring/avoiding to come to the surface. The thing to remember is that the helpless thoughts that are coming to your mind have likely been avoided in the form of PMO. By stopping PMO you are allowing them to come to the surface to be resolved and released. The most important thing to remember is a) these thoughts are not your own and b) you need to understand where they are coming from.
     
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  11. hokipa

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    If I have to be honest, I never experienced any depressive or helpless sensation even when I wasn’t PMOing

    I’ve always been quite a positive person before I stopped and after 2 months withdrawals started to kick in (the first weeks I only had headaches and some sort of derealization)
    All of a sudden some panic attacks depression, anxiety, existential void, a feeling like nothing made sense arised from nowhere so it must be abstinence-induced, maybe due to the brain changes that were happening and still are, so with me I don’t think it’s a matter of solving my inner problems with depression I used to avoid PMOing, these sensations came out suddenly and without a reason, you get me mate? Anyway the fact I felt a lil better during the last weeks makes me hope for the best
     
  12. mentorr

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    This is the point. The symptoms are sudden for everyone. I only started to discover depression, emotional numbness, anhedonia once I got deep into my reboot. It is the same for most rebooting. But after almost 3.5 years of recovery with minimal relapses, a good diet and regular exercise I am still here.

    As strange as it might sound, it is worth considering that there could be something deeper beneath the sensations. To say depression, anxiety, existential thoughts and panic attacks are all induced by brain changes bought on by excessive masturbation is something to think deeply about.

    Simply saying think and scrutinise your symptoms as you reboot and don't always go with the majority.
     
  13. hokipa

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    Yes, I scrutinise them and try to work on myself to minimize some perceptions (which actually happened during this month) my question was if once completely recovered some of these bad sensations will stay with me or I’ll come back to my normal state (in a better “shape” considering i eradicated PMO from my life)
    anyway wow, 3.5 years of recovery, when did you start to feel you were completely healed and what kind of withdrawals did you experience?

    I won’t go back to PMO, if this is what it can create in a human being’s mind that’s hell on earth
     
  14. mentorr

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    Sorry I veered off topic slightly - yes the thoughts will disappear once you heal.

    I am not 100% healed but feel much better. My withdrawals started small, gradually got better and then took another deep dip. The first few months were easily the worst for me with severe anxiety, hot sweats, headaches, chronic fatigue, muscle aches, no morning wood or libido, diahorrea, brainfog, mood swings, anger/rage, mouth ulcers, cyst acne, weight loss.

    After around 18 months these symptoms cleared up massively and I dropped into another phase of symptoms which were more emotionally based like depression, anxiety (not as bad), emotional numbness, feelings of isolation, negative internal thoughts, feelings of shame. Right now I am confident I could have sex (probably badly) but the backlash is still pretty bad. My refractory period sits anywhere between 2-3 weeks. But I have found that my recovery is about more than just getting my d**k to work again. My whole nervous system is pretty shot - so I am putting a focus on my emotional life to make sure I am good to go once and for all.

    It sounds like you are not doing too bad with withdrawals, almost like you have entered the 2nd phase of recovery?
     
  15. hokipa

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    Gonna explain briefly my reboot story so far cause I don’t want to annoy you:
    I abstained from PMO for 1 year but never exeperienced any withdrawals, probably cause I didn’t face reboot as it must be done (I kept my mind on p stuff and peeked to some p subs so it kinda was an abstinence from MO)
    Then, this July, I fell into the trap of watching P again and started doing it compulsively until September
    first weeks I experienced severe headaches and some nausea but I peeked in some sexual photos so I kept my mind focused on P stuff
    in the first days of October this escalated in a panic attack out of nowhere. Some weeks later (after this I went cold turkey, not even a sexual thought) I felt better, just some derealization (like I was living in a movie and not in real life, guess it was brain fog)
    Then at almost 90 days I had two weeks of depression, anxiety, disrupted sleep, sense of void (sensation that nothing rly makes sense in life) just when I thought I wouldn’t have experienced other withdrawals.
    Then I experienced disrupted sleep and insomnia for some weeks
    After that, 3 and a half months in I slowly started feeling a little bit better till now, where I still feel kinda “strange” in my mind but not like I felt in the months before, not at all actually

    so I don’t know anything about phases of reboot, I just know I feel a little better but I’m scared I can feel bad once again in a week or two, cause recovery’s not linear, that’s why I wanted to know if once healed this cycle of periodical withdrawal will definitely end

    that’s my story more or less
     
  16. mentorr

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    The reality is that nobody wants to feel bad, but to tell the truth you have to feel bad if you want to feel good again. Just stay with the feelings, avoid PMO and eventually you will heal.
     
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  17. NutMaster777

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    I think withdrawal will surely stop at some point, but recovery won´t, it´s the way, not the destination. Let me show you with an example, let´s say you know rain makes you sick just as you know watching porn makes you sick, you can choose to not go out when it rains as you can choose not to watch porn, but it´ll always keep raining as you you´ll always get pulses, we´re only human.
     
  18. hokipa

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    Yes you made a good point, but the moment you consciounsly choose to never watch P again cause you know what it can make to your mind you can consider ENDED your evil journey into porn, but you gotta be definitive
     
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  19. Think of it like you're a rubber duck in a big bath that's just been shaken up massively. The waves come thick and fast but gradually get smaller and smaller until the ripple is so small you don't care. You focus on better things.
     
  20. hokipa

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    Yes, it’s probably like you say but when you’re in the middle of withdrawals it’s hard to think that waves will get smaller, I mean, I actually wish that waves will definitely calm down, not come in rare flashes
     

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