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  1. AUTiger7222

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    But why? When God created female the only purpose of breasts was to nurse their young. It had nothing to do with sex and reproduction. If it wasn't for that a female would look exactly the same as a male. How do I know that? Because female children before puberty have the same exact chest as male children before puberty. They all look the same. The only difference in body parts are the penis and vagina. That right there should tell you that God didn't give female developed breasts for anything other than feeding their young since they don't develop until a woman's body develops so she can become pregnant and reproduce. Society has made female breasts sexualized. Why should the women that want equal topless rights for a part of their body that originally wasn't meant to be a sex organ be punished because or society and mostly men can't look at female breasts without getting aroused?
     
  2. SolitaryScribe

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    I agree with you, breasts are naturally for the feeding of babies and they shouldn't be sexualized. This view however is not realistic, it's ideal but not realistic. Reality is we live is a fallen world and the sexualization of the human body is something that exists whether we like it or not. Sex is also something we see as given to us by God but we don't go around binging on porn and proclaiming we are only admiring God's work.

    If man is able to gain purity of hear, then he will be able to see the body of a women as something beautiful rather then sexual... just as a man admires a rose.
     
  3. EthanW.

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    Your first post here is a strawman since my point is about the double standard, and since you affirm that my point is about vanity "no matter what you say."

    Stop trying to read minds and focus on the statements made. Thanks.
     
  4. _jeremy_

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    Not everyone believes in god dude
     
  5. _jeremy_

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    I have not read the first few pages of this debate, but I did see that you kept poking at transgender people having a mental illness, and almost trying to provoke someone who obviously did not feel that was the case, and I’ll admit it just made me slightly irritated. I’d like to preface this with the fact that I am by no means an expert on the topic matter, I have done substantial research, but not a lot, and I have been acquaintances and friends with a few individuals who identified as trans. From what I’ve gathered from this discussion, someone was calling it “gender dysphoria” where they feel that the gender of their body does not align with their mind. If a regular, working citizen who is nice to others and contributes to society says they are transgender, what do you gain from telling them they have mental illness and just being a dick in general? Are you trolling? I’d like to continue this conversation and hear your input, but if you bring any sort of god or spirituality into it I'm going to just assume you either were indoctrinated into it as a child and never started thinking logically, or are just foolish and ignorant and then I will be bored of the conversation.
     
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  6. _jeremy_

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    ok well that dude is being ridiculous as well. Thanks for letting me know. This is to him not you then... Have you ever been stripped of your recognition by society? Have you ever been scared that your loved ones would disown you? Scared to tell someone you love them, or to show love to that person? Have you ever been scared to travel to another country because in that country it is a fucking death punishment crime to be yourself? Or thought of how many people like you have gone through lifetimes of shit... harassment, so much pain, actual murder. If you answered no to all of these questions, you probably have had it easier than generations of lgbt people when it comes to your sexuality. Now, many of these problems are not as bad for some lgbt people, some still struggle, and others live in one of the 72 countries where it is still illegal to be gay or the 8 countries where it is punishable by death. So we have a parade. We laugh, we cry. We celebrate our strides that we've made in equality, because we've come a long ways, and we push for a better future. When the world is truly equal, we won't need pride. Until then, we will have pride. That is why there is a gay pride and not a straight pride. Thank you
     
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  7. EthanW.

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    "If a regular, working citizen who is nice to others and contributes to society says they are schizophrenic, what do you gain from telling them they have mental illness and just being a dick in general? Are you trolling?"

    I can expand on this paraphrasing of the point, if you feel that it does not sum up the entire argument, as you like.

    Everything you said is an appeal to emotion and sympathy. For someone who barges in saying I had better not have a spiritual argument for my claims, you express a subjective belief system hardly dissimilar to an emotional attachment to faith.

    So, I asked the Ginny Weasley role-playing lady: what is the criteria that disallows straight pride parades yet allows gay pride parades? Is it discrimination? You imply as much. If so, what is the level of discrimination necessary to have a parade?

    Because every question you posed in the beginning of your post can apply to a heterosexual person, and, in fact, there are heterosexuals who can answer yes to at least one; I answered yes to all of them.

    The world is unequal, I agree with the statement. Since it is unequal, what refrains heterosexuals from being granted the same degree of acknowledgement in demonstrating their heterosexual pride, as is afforded to homosexuals for doing the same -- as you say is legitimate for homosexuals in your post?
     
  8. _jeremy_

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    I feel like your "I answered yes to all of them" was a little bit smart, I would like to say first. I should have put "due to your sexuality" at the end of each question, because it is almost laughable to think a heterosexual would feel unsafe due to their sexuality. Now, if there's one thing that irritates me the most as a homosexual, its when other members of the lgbt community act like they deserve special privileges and whine about their hardships, and also my sexuality has absolutely nothing to do with my identity as a person, because that bothers me as well. Touching on your "schizophrenia" example, yes you found a flaw in my argument, which eliminates that and now it's just a debate of whether "gender dysphoria" truly is a mental illness, which I cannot argue heavily on with science as I have not done my research, but I would love to do so to continue discussing. Now, you argue that my claim is emotion based and subjective, to which I would say you are completely right. I feel that there isn't any objective reasoning for the morality of this, but to me, to me personally, I see zero necessity in people celebrating their sexuality. I see zero reason in homosexuals celebrating their sexuality either, it's not like being something is achieving anything. Pride parade is for everyone, but it is to acknowledge the pain that some have had to go through and to push for a better future for all. If black americans, when slavery was abolished, wanted to celebrate the end of their years of suffering with a celebration, and suddenly white people were upset because they didn't get a celebration, black americans and white supporters of the end of slavery would be like "are you kidding? what have you done to deserve this?" There is a time and place for everyone to celebrate, but doesn't their kind of have to be a reason? It would be weird if randomly I was like "today I will celebrate because I have brown hair." like thats not an accomplishment I did literally nothing. But if all my life people forced me to change my hair and tell me its not brown, it might be worth a little celebrating once I can finally let it be brown and accept that it is brown. Terrible example sorry, but I feel that it gets my point across here. Go ahead and have a straight pride if you feel that you are deserving, I definitely don't think it should be disallowed or anything, I just personally, from a subjective standpoint with the knowledge I currently have, believe it is not necessary.
     
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  9. AUTiger7222

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    There is no double standard. Good grief. Show me proof of heterosexuals being treated like homosexuals and then you'll have a leg to stand on. Until you do it's pretty freaking silly. I guess you got a problem with Black History Month too?
     
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  10. AUTiger7222

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    That wasn't the point. The point is that breasts only biological purpose is for feeding their young. There's nothing sexual about a woman breast feeding.
     
  11. _jeremy_

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    Damn I'd like to apologize I literally just read the first line of what you said, assumed it was ignorant, and wrote that to you. that was really bad on my part. I completely agree with you, nothing sexual about a woman breastfeeding. Sorry once again.
     
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  12. AUTiger7222

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    No biggie. We're good.
     
  13. EthanW.

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    I agree with the principles you put forward, here. You are much more intellectually self-aware than the Ginny woman.

    I also agree with your observation about sexual celebration (being unnecessary), and about how you think the celebration of periods of oppression are contingent upon recent over-turning of said oppression. I think that is exactly what @Ginny Weasley was trying to articulate, but she had a sort of liberal bend in her head, regarding straight people, that blocked her from seeing how she sets a double standard by perpetuating an infinite acknowledgement of victim celebration. Interesting.

    I'm glad to understand your thoughts there, but doesn't that contradict with your statement about how "until th world is equal, we will have pride"? Does that not include public demonstrations such as parades?
     
  14. _jeremy_

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    Yeah, she was kind of just saying what she had heard others say and getting herself in too far over her head, but she was trying to say something similar to what i said. It's so refreshing to have a conversation with someone who reads what I say and takes it into account, I appreciate that. I'm kind of grasping at what you're getting at when you saying she set a double standard when she furthered an idea of of infinite acknowledgement of victim celebration, but not completely. My understanding is that when a double standard occurs, its when different morals or principles are used for the same or similar situations. The past and current oppression of homosexuals and the nonexistent oppression of heterosexuals are not the same, so I don't think it's a double standard, but I have a feeling I'm interpreting what you said wrong. I don't like how I articulated my thought of "until the world is equal, we will have pride." but i don't really take it back i think. I use pride in the colloquial sense used by the lgbt and other communities, not the literal definition. The term pride has made the word seem to define something almost autonomous in my eyes, a source of recognition and hope for the community. Where did I contradict myself though? I don't mean that in a "i didn't contradict myself way" i just would like to fix it. I'm just a little confused in general about this right now, sorry, kind of frustrating myself. I don't think I said anything about not including parades or parades being bad.
     
  15. EthanW.

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    The double standard is there in your words: why do heterosexuals have to be as equally abused as homosexuals before they are acknowledged and respected in the same way? Where are people getting this line of thinking from, public education?

    And, I do have a problem with "Black History Month": what is the criteria that allows for the discrimination of every other race in a population for an entire month? Is it oppression? @_jeremy_ offers an interesting observation that oppression is an acceptable criteria after it is overturned, yet the oppression of slavery was overturned 200 years ago in the West.

    Is there an argument that there is a clause of infinite victimhood status for black people? If the month does not celebrate emancipation, but rather the overall history of Africans, then where is White History Month?

    Also, are you going to tell me that nowhere in man's evolutionary history there were men who lusted after the mounds of fat called breasts, and women who took advantage of that lusting?
     
  16. _jeremy_

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    1) @AUTiger7222 ive heard of some evolutionary reasons why men are attracted to breasts, could elaborate more if you like. 2) @EthanW. sorry to poke, I am getting rather bored of this and also tired, I may respond more tomorrow. I just can not agree with a few things you said. There is one key think I'd like to point out that you said. "why do heterosexuals have to be as equally abused as homosexuals before they are acknowledged and respected in the same way?" Others have been trying to explain this to you. Heterosexuality is acknowledged and respected every single day. everywhere. Always have been and always will. which is not the case with the lgbt community. The purpose of this parade is not to and has never been to diminish any respect for heterosexuals whatsoever, they are allowed in the celebration. The purpose is to shine a light of remembrance on past suffering and show hope for the future. No acknowledgement or respect is lost during pride, and there is no "extra" given to homosexuals either. 3) Yes, slavery in the west ended 200 years ago. The Jim Crow Laws (segregation) however, were abolished in 1964, about 50 years ago, less than a lifetime ago. And all racism wasn't thrown out the door with those laws. It has been a tough journey for people of color in America, many with parents being victim to these laws and other things like hate crimes. Once again, white people have celebrations too. The purpose is not to exclude anyone or put anyone on a pedestal. You ask where white history month is, but, being white, I know personally that our history is very celebrated too.
     
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  17. EthanW.

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    No, you understood me correctly. But, I would contend that heterosexuals can fit categories of oppression not necessarily dependent upon oppression as experienced by homosexuals. She was arguing heterosexual pride parades are "daft" whereas homosexual pride parades should be respected. That sort of distinction necessitated an appropriate criteria which justified treating one unequally to the other, and my entire interaction with her was an attempt to distinguish said criteria.

    That is fascinating. Thank you for clarifying that. It is always essential to operate with accurate definitions.

    Would you say this sort of autonomous pride is similar to an ideological sense of pride, such as that experienced by patriotism? An American being "proud" of being American, for example? Something that is passive in experience?

    Because then your use of the term would make sense to me, and would not be contradictory to your other points.
     
  18. _jeremy_

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    Ah yes, in that case I'd have to agree with you, got pretty technical and I feel like further discussion isn't needed
     
  19. _jeremy_

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    I'm having trouble articulating here. To define pride without the use of the word proud. Like pride as in "being proud of past achievements" and using that pride to hope and push for a better future? I feel like this pride is slightly more tangible than what patriotism is, but i may feel that way due to personal bias and experience, some may feel the same about patriotism. What exactly do you mean "passive in experience"?
     
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  20. EthanW.

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    No one is forcing you to respond to the notifications you get, and what you acknowledge, regarding my posts. Just stop replying. Jesus, lady. Maybe they can add trigger warnings to notifications.

    Furthermore, I was conveying what I thought about his point as was relevant to your posts. I never attempted mind reading.

    Some women...
     

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