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100 Cold Approaches

Discussion in 'Dating during a Reboot' started by StoicContemplation, Dec 12, 2020.

  1. StoicContemplation

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    4 approaches today

    The first one was a girl who works as a shop clerk in an organic shop. I'm not going to count this, because the opening wasn't really an opening. I just asked something as a client and my question was sincere ("Excuse me, do you have tea X?") and I only saw her after I entered the shop so it's not that I maneuvered my way into the shop just to talk with her. She was attractive and open to have a little chat though. The conversation was pretty long (over the 10 min mark) and took a personal direction pretty quickly (she was alone).

    I didn't buy anything and at a certain point I wrapped the conversation up and said "If you want to hang out - we can exchange digits". She took a pen and a post-it so I could write down my number. But I said: "Maybe it's better that you give me your number?". I don't know why I insisted on this, but nonetheless. I think it's because it tends to be the man's job to initiate the contact. On the other hand, if you give a girl your number and she doesn't text you, it's pretty unlikely that she would have been keen to get to know you better in the first place (and I don't think that texting her would have changed that).

    2 approaches were in the bookstore. The first one was with 2 American girls. I heard them talk and I just asked them "Excuse me, are you American?" and we then just chatted casually. The conversational skills are getting more refined and I'm also more laid back whilst doing it. I'm also less uncomfortable with the fact that there are other people around who can overhear the conversation. 2 of their local friends joined the conversation so it reached a point that I was talking with 4 girls.

    Towards the end of the conversation, I asked the girl I had the main vibe/interaction with if she wants to hang out. She declined as she said that she will leave the country soon. In the conversation she also said that she was part of a Christian group that goes to countries so yeah, giving her number to a stranger whilst her other Christian friend is watching would be a bit ironic. That being said, I don't want to be too prideful and convince myself that she did like me or something, maybe she just wasn't interested.

    The other approach was in the same bookstore, a few minutes after the American girls left. I saw a girl looking at a book in the history section so I went next to her, studied some books in the shelf (which all were in the language of the country I'm in - I don't speak it) with a serious face and asked her:

    "Excuse me is that a good book?"

    She opened up pretty easily. I went about asking her if she knows good books about the history of her country. Her English wasn't very good but we had a bit of a chat of different topics. Because of the earlier approaches, I was in a social mood so I was able to make the chat more playful. Her friend joined the conversation but the 2 girls weren't disturbed by the fact that a man was trying to establish the most ordinary type of communication, i.e. a conversation.

    When I decided it was time to leave the bookstore, I suggested if she wants to hang out sometime. She said:

    "Give me your Instagram."
    "I don't have it. I think it's a waste of time."


    I saw a bit of a disappointment on their faces (thanks Zuckerberg!) but to be honest, I will never make an IG account (the girl in the organic shop also insisted on IG when exchanging digits). I'm not going to desperately play the social media game so I can indulge in narcissistic status-whoring whilst convincing myself that girls will bang me once I have a good following/followers ratio. Anyways, I do have her number.

    Another approach today was in the reading room of a coffee shop. I entered the room where an attractive woman was sitting doing some work on her computer. I sat down somewhere, got my laptop out and did my work. When I left after an hour or so, I asked her: "Excuse me, is that a good laptop?". But the chat didn't went so smoothly though. The interaction was maybe a minute long and I wasn't able to enrich and she didn't look very open after all. When I didn't really know what to say after the laptop thing I asked her:

    "Are you a lawyer?"
    "No I'm an accountant."
    "Okay, because where I'm from, lawyers tend to dress like you. It's nice though!"
    (she was dressed pretty classy)

    I think this is the first compliment I gave in this challenge. I ended the conversation after that because it did feel a bit awkward. She was also a bit too old for me (end 20's, maybe begin 30's). However, I was content I did the approach and despite the fact that it didn't went as smoothly like the other approaches of today, I see every approach as a learning opportunity. The more awkward and painful the better, because pressure makes diamonds.

    I also opened up with 2 Turkish girls in a snack bar. They ordered in English so I asked them where they were from. The conversation was casual and playful. I didn't ask for the number although I think the odds wouldn't have been so bad.

    So technically 5 approaches but I will only add 4 (I'm not counting the girl in the organic shop).

    Total: 81/100
     
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  2. The little prince

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  3. StoicContemplation

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    Be aware that almost every guy has that thought pattern racing through his head before tapping the foot in this water.

    "I'm not made of that caliber."

    "I'm not attractive enough."

    "I'm too socially awkward to do this."

    "I'll look like fool. Everybody will laugh at me."

    "We live in an era of #MeToo. I don't want to go in jail."

    Etc. etc.

    I wouldn't have imagined doing this a few years ago - even the idea of doing this would be conceptually inconceivable. I used to have weak conversational/social skills, low confidence, bad posture, anxious and other unpleasant emotions, etc.

    I'd say it is better to have a solid constitution in the mental (and physical) realm before considering this. It's way harder to do this if you are sitting on your ass all day playing video games, watching porn, eating cheetos and only opening your front door to pay the pizza delivery guy. If you have something going on in your life: you have a higher goal that you're striving to that gives you meaning and you're disciplined and getting results which will translate into pride/confidence/charm then this will be slightly easier.

    You're already on the right path, i.e. quitting porn.
     
  4. The little prince

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    absolutely genius, but how do I get ride of 'first try VENOM' if I'm still stuck in the same entourage for years and years. I haven't made any friends, I lost quite a lot of them….. I know that u hate rearing it, but I'll try to overcome my psychological mind distancing. I'll try to socialize more….
     
  5. I mean, look man. If what you are doing does not work, then you have to switch.

    Whose side are you on, anyway?

    The government, the cops, your grandma, and your boss are going to tell you
    how to approach? Give me a break. It doesn't matter if you see a woman at Disney Land, the gas station, the dog park, the land fill, the post office, or on stage with Spinal Tap:
    if you smile at her, and she smiles at you, her answer is yes.

    So if you go up and get close, touch the small of her back and tell her she's cute,
    she wants that moment to happen. But if you go in there and she backs away, then you've been rejected.

    That is part of it.

    But if you stand there, 3 feet away and ask her about her favorite color,
    there's no sexual tension. You are the man. You have to build that sexual tension, or there won't be any.
    And you will get rejected. There is no escape.

    A woman is going to say, "EWWW you're a creep."
    She will shrink away and say, "What do you want, weirdo?"

    Any way that you can imagine getting rejected, and more, is going to happen,
    it is a certainty. But don't run from the rejection. Embrace it.

    Then one day it will happen for you. But what you are doing will not work in today's world.

    Here's what you should do. If you see a girl, smile and say hi.
    If she says hi, then do this:
    Go up to her, keep smiling and get your sternum into her shoulder.
    Keep smiling. Then say, "What are you looking at?"
    Ask her if she likes your De Niro impression, try to do one.
    You need to get in close and make her laugh.
    Say something random and funny:
    "I used to think I was indicisive, but now I'm not so sure."
    She's going to fall in love with your confidence.

    If you do this thing 10 times, you will get one.
    Be touching her.
     
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  6. Kowe

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    Listen man, if that works for you then keep doing it.

    In fact, I'd be very interested if you could share a few stories of you going out and doing that.

    I would not feel comfortable doing that personally, since we are talking about approaching total strangers on the street. I feel like invading personal space and doing impressions of actors they probably don't even know is far more likely to come off as disturbing than having a casual conversation that may or may not lead to the sharing of a phone number.
     
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  7. The main enemy of this process is ego
    It's totally stupid to force things.
    Do you know the phenomenon of separation?
    You are free to think what you want of this woman. She is free to think what she wants about you.
    By forcing things, you are forcing your way into her intimacy. You communicate to her that you privilege your sexual desires rather than the authentic connection.

    You don't talk to her for her but to fill the void you feel inside. This is anything but honest and attractive. And trust me they see it. They're not dumb.
    All the guys I've known in this process have fallen into ego. This need to have more because their value depends on external results. It's totally stupid and disrespectful to women (and yourself).

    What StoicComptemplation does is totally adapted and respectful.
    If he feels that he has difficulty expressing his deepest intentions when he loves a woman, he is in the best position to see it, question himself and try new things.
    It's not just what you say that counts. In fact, it may be 5% of the interaction. You could go talk to a woman, tell her about the weather, and have her be very attracted to your kindness and the way you express yourself.

    So... yeah, keep going dude @StoicContemplation !
     
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  8. StoicContemplation

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    This is not a matter of partiality. I'm just stating that most Criminal Codes in Western societies qualify such acts as a criminal offence and I don't want younger guys who might be reading this to believe that they can pull that off anytime anywhere without facing possible legal consequences. It's not that 'I think that'. It's just the way it is. That's the legal side of the equation, I also do believe in something like 'physical integrity' of men and women alike. I wouldn't personally feel comfortable if a girl came up to me in the grocery shop and immediately touching my biceps - even is she's cute. I would suspect that she's a prostitute or something.

    If a man goes up to my sister and tells her she's cute and that he wants to get to know her better, then that's fine. She will reject him because she is taken. In a sense I will respect him because at least he tried. If he went out of his way to touch her, he can expect an uppercut from me.

    I have strong doubts you even have experience in day game in the first place. The only conceivable situation where you could pull that off is at a party where the girl already made strong eye contact with you. You have experienced such an occasion and you are now postulating that as a principle to meet women during the day, which is a different playing field in my opinion.

    Besides, you are too obsessed with results. You believe that there is a magical bullet to all this, that you can skip all the hard work and development that this entails. It looks like you even reject the idea of the learning process. Your simplification that I have to 'touch 10 girls' and that will guarantee success... I think that's just a reflection of a consumer society that is obsessed with instant gratification and has lost touch with virtues like Patience.

    But anyways, if it works for you - then keep doing what you're doing, Mr. De Niro.
     
  9. Yeah man
    The main problem in my opinion is believing that you have to behave in a certain way to please.
    We forget who we are to get what we want.

    Personally, I approach women by telling them the truth. Not to get something, but because I really mean it. I want to know them, to take them into consideration, to listen to them.

    If they reject me or believe that I am a niceguy and that what I say is not honest and too "beautiful" to be true. That's okay. I love being rejected. Every rejection means "love yourself more".

    Yesterday I approached an incredible girl and told her that she had really beautiful blue eyes. I didn't see that she was with 2 guys. They told me to go fuck my mother.
    I was happy afterwards. I even wished them happiness.
    To be rejected means to become little by little insensitive to rejection. No longer being emotionally sensitive to outside events. Learning to accept our emotions.

    All that remains is kindness and love.
    It is useless to show a certain image of ourselves that is false. Being detached when deep down we love this woman and would like to connect with her. Hiding things. Forcing things. It doesn't lead to anything.

    ego is being attached to a certain image of ourselves.
    When you know who you are, you don't care, you like to be too nice and vulnerable. You're okay with that. You're the one talking, not the angry, sad person you used to be.

    This process should make us more human towards ourselves and people. Otherwise it's useless. It doesn't lead to anything but depression and anger
     
  10. You aren't going to get arrested for asking a woman out.
     
  11. Yeah, I understand that, but none of that psychobabble is going to
    make anything happen.

    It just won't.

    I can formulate any excuse to avoid the approach. I don't need psychobabble for that.

    What also works is; I'm tired, it's late, I don't feel good, I don't feel like it.

    But remember this, that no matter what kind of approach I make,
    she is still free to walk at any time.
    Also, she's free to think what she wants at any time.

    Another thing about authentic desires is that if I go up to a woman
    with a bunch of friend zone talk, that is not authentic.

    What is authentic is truth. She's hot, I want her. That is authentic.

    And this might shock you, but she's ok with that. Look at the woman.
    She's dressed up and made up. She wants it to happen.

    All she wants you to do is try. I'm trying to help you increase your chances.

    If you can get to 5-10% success from where you are, you can succeed.

    But all this psychobabble, game, and player crap is a big lie and it won't work.
     
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  12. But does what you are doing right now work?
    If so, then you should tell us.
     
  13. Kowe

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    I have made one approach in the day time. I don't have enough experience yet to talk about what works or what does not.

    I can say that the approach I am taking, which is somewhat inspired by Stoic's method, has worked in that it gave me a goal that felt realistic to me which I followed through on.

    It may very well be that if I put my arm around a stranger's waist and did my best Taxi Driver 'Are you talking to me?' re-enactment to her face that she'd take me home and blow me but I'm not willing to try it for it is a form of harassment and does not suit my personality type.
     
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  14. You are ignoring the plot to correct the punctuation, my friend.
     
  15. You guys cling so tightly to gain her approval.

    When you go up to her and talk about the weather, standing 3 feet away,
    she thinks you have no guts.

    It's because you don't have any courage.

    You NEED her to approve of your approach. You NEED her to give you the green light.

    And when you NEED her, at any time, in any way, then you are NEEDY.

    That is why game is nothing but NEEDY behavior that has been rehearsed.

    Show her instead that you have guts, that she can reject you, and it's ok.

    Be vulnerable around her. Tell her a joke that is stupid, let her NOT laugh.

    That is how you end your NEEDY behavior. You show COURAGE.

    You have to take risks and BE YOURSELF.

    Being yourself takes courage. Because when they reject that, it cuts deep.

    But that is where the rubber meets the road. It is where you actually grow.

    Courage is a thing that happens in the face of adversity.

    Where is the adversity? It's in your own thinking.

    The fact is that nobody cares if you get the girl, or how you do it.

    So who are you lying to but yourself?
     
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  16. You watched too many red pill videos and PUA videos dude
    So much anger and pride here
    Courage lol what does it even mean. I agree vulnerability is a good thing but there's nothing wrong with being needy if you fully accept it.

    You're saying just be yourself but the truth is, we can't always be at our "top level", make jokes, show creativity, sexual tension. This concept of being yourself doesn't even mean anything. We're changing, evolving, constantly. Every day. It's useless to try to be ourselves. It's better to just not care to the image we project

    Do you wanna know what guys who are reading this will remember from your posts here ?

    I'm not enough, I need to be more.

    Do that contribute to their fulfillment in the long run ? I doubt it. Too much ego here

    I think you still have something to prove to women and to yourself to have this point of view.
    Touching her right away lol we're not in the jungle bro
    You think you need to act a certain way to please a woman
    "YOU NEED TO BE LIKE THIS, DO THIS, DO THAT"
    I don't call that freedom
     
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  17. StoicContemplation

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    3 approaches today

    One was on the street. I asked for the closest library. I had a bit of a chat going on but couldn't make it personal. Her friend joined the interaction through a few minutes, I was reluctant to ask for her number.

    The other one was on the terrace roof of a coffee shop/library. There was a girl smoking there so I opened up with her and we talked for about 5-10 mins.

    The last one was on the street. I asked 2 girls for a place to eat. They were helpful but I didn't manage to make things personal.

    Total: 84/100

    I'm not going to waste my time arguing with some anonymous dude. I think I wasted enough time on you. Okay, you disagree with my style, then stop reading this thread and go away. You have a life, you have choices, you don't have to read here - so don't.
     
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    Stoic,
    I just want to say, I've been following this thread and your journey for months now. I look forward to reading each and every day how it went for you. Thank you for sharing this challenge with all of us!
     
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  19. Alright, if I made you mad or feel like you wasted your time, I apologize.
     
  20. Ah, ok. Well, everybody has to figure out their own way, I reckon.

    My best to you guys!
     
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