Anti-NoFap Article

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Deleted Account, Nov 14, 2018.

  1. Ridley

    Ridley Fapstronaut

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    Careful... I don't think that's the takeaway here. I hardly think it's fair to say that "the left is officially against nofap". It's just one article, and I don't think that's enough to demonstrate some sort of pattern or generalization about an entire facet of the political spectrum. NoFap has been criticized by many different people, and not all of them are left-leaning (or even politically motivated at all). Most of the articles I've seen that criticize NoFap (and similar communities) have nothing to do with politics at all: they're usually either written by people with ties to the porn industry (and, thus, who have a vested interest in criticizing porn addiction support groups like NoFap) or by people who want to boost their own academic / journalistic careers by writing a flashy article about masturbation and porn. The article from the original post is the first one I can remember seeing that was politically motivated, and it's certainly the first one I've ever seen that took a feminist perspective on NoFap. Hell, there are lots of members of this community who are left-leaning. Be careful with your generalizations.

    You talk about being forced to "take sides" in your comment. Well, aren't you encouraging that type of behavior when you make sweeping generalizations about "the left"?

    I don't think the idea here is that it's now "okay to quote and post more red pill content". That's not what NoFap is about, and it never has been. As far as I can tell, NoFap doesn't really take a stance on gender-related issues. This community is about supporting people who are struggling with masturbation and porn regardless of what views you hold politically, socially, or philosophically. I'm not saying that discussing gender-related issues shouldn't be allowed in this community. I actually think it's quite important to debate issues surrounding the topic. So, if you're talking about posting "Red Pill" content here for the sake of discussing it and debating it, then I think that's productive and is just fine. However, I want us all to remember that, regardless of the political / social / philosophical views of some users on this forum, this place primarily exists to help people who are struggling with PMO. Just because one author from one article thinks this is a place where Incels, Red Pilled, MGTOW, and other related communities gather to let their misogynistic views fester like mold on bread doesn't mean that we have to adopt that identity, and it doesn't mean that everyone who is "on the left" believes what she does.
     
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  2. wake_up

    wake_up Fapstronaut

    Hey, you're probably mostly right there.
    That conclusion was a bit too fast, but this article did enrage me (and therefore probably did it's intended purpose).
    As I wrote I liked that nofap avoided political and religious biases, and I enjoy it that way. So probably I shoud adhere to that as well.

    On the other hand, I delved deeply into the manosphere / TRP and explored many of the different directions.
    As for your last paragraph, yes I think we need to discuss it here sooner or later, as I think this is a societal problem to a degree (which causes our addictions or at least facilitares them) and thus needs to be discussed here.

    There are some values the left represented which I found important and sensible (Stefan Molyneux made a video about that) but I find today's left just madness.
    I became very critical of "the left" or at least some parts of it.
    Just make this search and you see why. (In spoiler - as it may trigger someone - but I see this as a criticism of society and we have to be able to talk about this bs
    ... and you land here https://www.google.com/search?q=study+porn+benefits
    and find pure bs like
    * 11 unexpected benefits of watching porn (https://www.dailydot.com/irl/benefits-of-porn/)
    starting with "Honestly, guys, you could learn a thing or two."
    "1) Because it’s healthy"
    "2) Because sometimes it’s better than the real thing"
    ...
    "5) Because it could benefit your relationship"
    ...

    * 6 reasons why your porn habit might actually be good for you
    https://metro.co.uk/2015/11/24/6-reasons-why-your-porn-habit-might-actually-be-good-for-you-5522338/

    * 9 surprising reasons why you should be watching porn
    https://www.salon.com/2017/09/02/9-surprising-reasons-why-you-should-be-watching-porn_partner/

    * The Positive Side of Pornography | RealClearSciencehttps://www.realclearscience.com/.../the-upside-of-pornography.h

    etc ...
    I found most of that quite disturbing and that's where I disagree with your first paragraph, as *all* of the authors and the publications/ news sites are left leaning in their general attitude - you won't see such idiocy on "right wing" / red pill sites.
     
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  3. SaveMeBeforeIFall

    SaveMeBeforeIFall Fapstronaut

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    People should know that porn is bad news. Just look up Gabe Dawg's video on YouTube called "PORN RUINS LIVES". It can be a bit triggering at times but he makes a point. He lists all the porn stars who died of drug overdoses and suicide. Don't listen to anyone who says porn is normal, it's all human trafficking.
     
  4. SaveMeBeforeIFall

    SaveMeBeforeIFall Fapstronaut

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    Hold up, I just realized something mind-blowing. The site porn*** gets about 100 million visitors per day on average. The porn industry makes more money on any given day than the NFL makes on Super Bowl Sunday. Holy Crap. Imagine how much money the other porn sites are getting. Jesus. A 100 billion dollar industry that sexually exploits people for money. Jesus.
     
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  5. Are we sure all of those visits are from America?
     
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  6. They are using porn, which does not mean that they are addicted. The tobacco, alcohol and the gambling industry also make a lot of money. Not everybody who uses a drug is addicted.

    Whether a drug is legal or not ironically has little to do with how dangerous it is. It is more of a question of culture &traditions and in many cases, corruption. Making a drug illegal does not help to combat addiction anyway.
     
  7. SaveMeBeforeIFall

    SaveMeBeforeIFall Fapstronaut

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    Now, I can't personally say that every single visit is from America, but these are stats I got from an article a while back.
     
  8. SaveMeBeforeIFall

    SaveMeBeforeIFall Fapstronaut

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    True, true. Not everyone who watches will be addicted.
     
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  9. wake_up

    wake_up Fapstronaut

    Exactly. These people are either just bad because they spread these falsehoods (unknowingly) or they are outright evil (if they know about it, and even profit of that).

    But now you can examine the (political) groups, news outlets and media, which promote this degeneracy/porn, I'm quite sure, you'll see a pattern there.

    It would be cool, if some hackers could hack the porn sites, steal money from they and donate it to nofap causes. (disclaimer: I'm not inciting people to commit crimes, but I'd find it cool :p)

    P is an "awesome" cash cow for them: No need to produce sustances, quality control, and shipping etc. It's just bits & bytes, copied without additional costs for them and thus can be spread over the whole planet within seconds once it's released.
    And it's a mental addiction. It will probably take years if not decades until it is recognised as that.

    I disagree strongly here. That's exactly how the addiction works. You first don't realize it, that you are addicted. You only think you can stop anytime.
    If you could, we wouldn't have all these self help groups for alcoholics, smokers, and there wouldn't be a need for this forum.
    You don't realize, that you start repeating using the drug, until it's too late.
    And that's especially true with porn ! As long you're just watching the "harmless" vanilla stuff, you won't get any disgust/shock reaction.
    While when you try smoking, you body instantly starts natural protective reactions like coughing.

    That's true somewhere. I saw some properties of drugs in a wiki article and the legislation is indeed stupid, drugs like alcohol and nicotine are still allowed, even if they are actually more dangerous and addictive than many others.

    And yeah, I watched that TED talk about addiction. I don't believe, that making drugs illegal will solve the problem.
    First, it will just create a black market.
    Second, the demand will be still there.

    Maybe fighting the production and punishing the deals will help for a short time, but the demand is still there. Then you have to ask, why do people have the demand for the drug. Then you inevitably see, that there are societal problems which are causing this personal misery on a large scale.
    And instead of arresting the addicts, they should get a treatment against the addiction.
     
  10. IFartedWithMyChef

    IFartedWithMyChef Fapstronaut

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    I feel you on a deep spiritual level. I still think the Fight for Love is still worth it. Love is real. Just check out Marla Robinson's book "Cupid's Poisoned Arrow". It says couples who do kareeza, stay together for life. Don't let negativity get to you man, porn is just a byproduct, not a standard. Peace to you. In the meanwhile, I'm going to fart with my chief.
     
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