GO WITH ESCORT?

Discussion in 'Loneliness' started by ALEX_88, Sep 17, 2018.

  1. Ridley

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    Logic nerd here. Can't help but to talk about the difference between validity and soundness.
    • A valid argument is one in which the conclusion follows logically from the premises (I think this is what you meant when you say an argument "makes sense logically")
    • A sound argument is one in which all the premises are true.
    • You can have a valid, but unsound argument: All men are vampires. All vampires can turn into bats. Therefore, all men can turn into bats. Both premises are false, but the conclusion still follows logically from them.
    • You can also have a sound, but invalid argument: All men are human. All humans need water. Therefore, toasters run on electricity. All the premises are true, but the conclusion doesn't follow logically from the premises.
    The most convincing arguments are the ones that are both valid and sound. For example: all fruits grow from seeds. Apples are fruit. Therefore, apples grow from seeds.

    So, when you say that an argument makes sense logically, you're really saying it's valid. When you said that we need to check if the evidence is valid, I think you really meant we need to check if the argument is sound.

    Sorry if anyone finds this tedious or annoying. I'm just really passionate about logic.
     
  2. LOSEmyselftoSAVEmyself

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    Archangel77, I've read your responses to me over this year. Every time, although you aren't a volume writer, without fail, you seem to hit the nail on the head.

    I don't really believe I'm a moron, but I try to put that out there so that people might be less inclined to dislike me.

    It's really a next level thing, to tell people what I believe is true, and be unapologetic about it.

    It's one thing to tell people about the Savior, but the consequences for rejecting the Son are severe, so it makes me way more bold in that context.

    On the other hand, compared to one of my college friends, I definitely could be considered a moron. He took organic chem his freshman year. His classmates once complained that he never went. It matched up with what I saw, because he was directly across from me in the hall, his room was. He sailed through that class, only going in for tests.

    But he was way next level, because he was super nice to me. I had an opportunity to be honest with him, and he recognized that, and we've been friends since 1994.

    And he still won't teach me calculus! Wonder why...?
     
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  3. LOSEmyselftoSAVEmyself

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    Toomuchh, you seem to be right.

    I get leery about information that comes from people, even if they are a doctor. The reason is because bad information grows on trees, it's in the grass, the water, my hair! Even my own thoughts deceive me.

    And I can't fix that aspect of the world, which is that the truth is scarce. But what I can do, is try to offer a little humility, and let everyone know that I won't kill them. Today.

    I can't decide now if I'm a moron for killing them, or letting them live, lest they damage society with another dent in it's already weak moral fabric....
     
  4. Toomuchh

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    I appreciate you sharing your insight on the philosophy of logic. Just knowing the proper terms and language for what I'm trying to say really helps me.

    But yeah, what I mean is say is that if you are a moron, and someone else is trying to tell you something. You should probably take the time to reflect if the arguments presented are sound. Things you always thought were right might be wrong and it might be because you never taken the time to really think things through.

    Sometimes people are fed false information (invalid premise) and even though the conclusion they end up with is sound, it's not actually true. So we should take the time to check if arguments are sound when conflicting ideas come up.
     
  5. Toomuchh

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    A moron with a good intentions is still a moron. You don't understand where information comes from and how to determine what is truth or not truth. You don't know how to source information and how to stay objective. What humility, you spent 5+ pages on the forum trying to tell people you're right without any real evidence besides your own subjective feelings because you lack the humility to consider you could be wrong. There is a lot of truth in the world, you just can't see it because you lack humility.
    You lack the humility to accept you aren't qualified or capable to determine the truth, so you make blanket statements like there "the truth is scarce". There is a lot of truth in the world, you're just too blind to see.
     
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  6. AUTiger7222

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    I'm sorry, but this is the biggest bunch of nonsense I've ever heard. There is a boat load of information and truth in the world if you just know how to find it and know for sure if it's true or not. You've just got to be open-minded enough to realize that there are a lot of people in the world that honestly know more than you do and are more knowledgeable in certain subject matters. On the other side of the coin I'm sure there's lots of areas and subject matters in which you know quite a bit more about than lots of folks. You blowing people off that have more knowledge than you isn't being humble. If you were truly humble like you claim to be you would have taken into consideration that myself and others that have responded to you in this thread might actually be speaking truth and have the experience and knowledge to back up that claim. But instead you shot every one of us down and considered your narrow-minded views to be the correct and wholly truth because of your own personal experiences. The truth is, that there is a lot of good in society and just because you have trouble finding it and experiencing it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
     
  7. Archangel 77

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    Yeah, but can he play the piano? This is a Good Will Hunting reference. (I know you like movies, so I’m sure you’ve seen it)

    We all have our strengths, the point is not to compare ourselves to others, but to find out who we are, who our Higher Power (God) created us to be for these moments in time.

    I myself struggle with this daily. Especially during the season of life that I’m in. I thought God wanted me to be a husband, I thought I was supposed to follow a traditional family plan, but that’s not entirely within my control. If my STBXW decides that divorce is the best way forward, then that path has ended, and I’ll begin a new one.

    I still believe that God has a plan. I’m glad you find some truth (and hopefully some comfort) in my words. I wish I could write more frequently, but my focus and commitment to my daughters, AA, ACOA, and my job still demand a lot of my time.

    Merry Christmas.
     
  8. LOSEmyselftoSAVEmyself

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    Merry Christmas Archangel77! Don't worry about writing to much or too little with regards to me. I'm not the kind of person to guilt someone into posting or responding through manipulation. I only want you to come when it makes sense for your life. Go to my journal, and talk about whatever you want at that time. You are not a hostage here.

    Re: divorcing, I myself went through a really slow-motion (more film talk!) divorce, because it was around 2015 when things were getting bad. I could say that the love was gone back then. The truth of the matter was there was not love in the first place.

    I don't like to play marriage counselor and give advice specific to anybody, since the volume of details and history far outstrip the capacity of a post. But for me, I just got to a point when I knew it was over. There was a specific thing that happened.

    I started hearing a distinct calling to leave, but I hung on for about 6-7 weeks. This is in an environment that was never romantic to say the least. We rarely had sex, and she didn't even so much as look me in the eye. After that specific "event", enough was enough.

    On Sept. 24, 2017, I packed up. I knew I wasn't going back. To this day, even if I'm lonely, I still say it is WAY better than living within her constant scorn, getting ignored, she wouldn't laugh at my jokes, she wouldn't touch me, and she was always looking into the smart phone when we were supposed to be together.

    For me, it was as clear as a cloudless night sky in which I could see the stars and their ancient light.
     
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  9. LOSEmyselftoSAVEmyself

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    AUTiger7222, "blowing people off that have more knowledge than you isn't being humble."

    What does this mean? Humility is not a factor of filtering out bad information. Filtering out bad information is the main function of thinking and mindfulness.

    Humility is the ability to help or love someone, despite their situation. Those are two different things, two different skillsets, like the difference between apples and oranges.
     
  10. AUTiger7222

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    Humble is a synonym of humility. You can easily take my sentence and reword it to say "blowing people off that have more knowledge than you isn't showing humility."

    Here's the definition for humility straight from Merriam-Webster, Humility means “the state of being humble.”
     
  11. Toomuchh

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    I think you're mixing up humility with being kind, empathetic and caring.

    Moron
     
  12. TheBarbarian

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    Don’t pay for sex that’s messed up. And illegal.

    Am I just old fashioned or something?
     
  13. LOSEmyselftoSAVEmyself

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    At least you got my name right this time! :)
     
  14. LOSEmyselftoSAVEmyself

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    Dude, I hate to give you an English lesson here, but there is no difference between humility and being humble.

    If I said this person is "being humble" or if I said, "that person has humility", I have just said the exact same thing.

    Of course, you might not know that if you aren't a native English speaker.

    It's like saying, "I feel happiness" or "I am happy". There is no difference. See what I mean?

    The concept of being happy or being humble is much greater than the part of speech as it is used in a sentence.

    Why does Webster waste peoples' time on stupid definitions like that, I don't get.
     
  15. AUTiger7222

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    You're right. There is no difference between the two. That's why I used humble instead of humility in my first post. But you're the one that said it didn't make any sense. You have no respect for the posters on this message board and this post right here proves that. But I'm done wasting my time with someone as disrespectful as you. Good day sir!
     
  16. LOSEmyselftoSAVEmyself

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    AUTiger7222, I apologize about that. You're right, the post was heavy-handed.

    I appreciate the opportunity to see that I can lose perspective, and get arrogant or mean.

    The fact is, when posts get long, I tend to start to tune out, which is not right.

    Anyway, I could have handled that a lot better, I agree.
     
  17. ALEX_88

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    guys, you say you do not have sex with an escort ... but what changes? love does not exist, science also says so
     
  18. LOSEmyselftoSAVEmyself

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    Huh?
     
  19. ALEX_88

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    [QUOTE = "LOSEmyselftoSAVEmyself, post: 1851972, membro: 187244"] Huh? [/ QUOTE]
    what is love ??!
     
  20. ClaritySeeker

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    A chemical reaction in your brain
     

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