P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

Mentally induced. I.e. the stress of thinking about it and worrying is causing a physiological response.

This is what psychosomatic implies

 

I don't really have social anxiety at all
It's the effects of pmo cause all of these....

 

Yeah that's definitely the main definition or form of it.

My question is how would you actually know whether what you're going through is psychosomatic or not? I definitely believe there are initial withdrawal or PAWS but I 100% do not believe in this 1 to 3 year stuff.

Conditions can also be induced out the blue. Fibromyalgia is now slowly being recognised as psychosomatic, so is chronic fatigue syndrome , chronic back pain, multiple schlerosis and even some forms of blindness. The research is showing that certain people have dormant inactive genes for these illnesses but it's life experiences , stress, anxiety, depression , diet etc which switch the genes on. The genes can be switched off but doctors telling people they are permanently ill is not helping and in most cases actually making people worse.

 

@Don Quixote thank you sincerely for your post, everything you said resonates with my experience and beliefs. I appreciate your words.

I feel like after my relapse 3 months ago which I did cocaine and watched porn and had sex for 24 hours, Im finally recovering again. After this relapse I was thrown back in to terrible flatline and PAWS that lasted every day for literally 3 months.

Funny thing is I never once gave up hope, or even regret the last relapse. It was needed for my mind to accept that it is all an illusion

I plan on writing a detailed manual of my experience and recovery when I heal. The community needs more clear accounts of what is happening, for those that will follow us. I dare to think what I would have done not knowing about PAWS being possible

 

Psychosomatic illness is bodily sickness induced from imbalance in the subconscious mind. Trauma, stress on the nervous system.

The subconscious mind resides within the body. The body and mind are not to be seen apart from each other.

And we cannot decide for someone else what is psychosomatic and what is PAWS or maybe a combination. And it doesn't even matter. What matters is that we quit PMO, pick ourselves up to become healthier in body and mind, and find other people who are a bit like us and have already been in the dark and now feeling better.
That is why reading about other people with PAWS has been a HUGE HUGE BLESSING for me. Especially cases like Big Lebowski, DarkSektur and Crawlingordie. They give hope so that I know NoFap is doable and the symptoms will disappear when focussing on NoFap and our overall health.

 

Yeah im not completely disagreeing with you and I respect your opinion. I'm just trying to help, I've been where you are and come out the other end.

I personally believe that I am 100% correct in every thing I'm saying because I've been where you all are, my post history and ammount of long streaks proves it. I get that the overwhelming majority of people won't believe me or will only half believe me.

I've said what I wanted to say and it's all here in this thread for future reference. I've only stayed on here because I want others to experience what I have and I believe that in another 2 years when the majority of people are still suffering people can refer to everything I've said and maybe try a different approach.

I'm probably going to leave this site again soon as it serves me no purpose anymore. I'm literally here just to help people and hope that a few will listen.

 

My sleep is WAY BETTER nowadays
it's great to see changes and improvements

 

You know I've been thinking, PAWS only started for me after around 3-4 months starting NoFap and probably my 5-6th relapse.

And then around 6.5 months hardmode I was feeling somewhat okay (around 70% normal - light at end of the tunnel) and I relapsed on a cocaine, sex and porn binge for 48 hours with an old fuck buddy. This relapse put me in the hardest deepest flatline I experienced yet, only just resurfacing to normality in last few weeks - around 95 days later.

It got me thinking, imagine you broke your leg, and whilst it was healing, you went to play basketball. Can you imagine the damage you would do to your leg and how much longer you'd prolong your recovery?

I'm almost convinced this is an accurate analogy of whats happening to us. Hard relapses literally cause so much suffering during the healing process for chronic addicts.

 

Kindling

 

why would it be a problem? the whole point of reboot is restore the dopamine to high levels and resensitize our brain afterwards
low dopamine is (supposedly) one of the causes of the flatline/PAWS

 

This has already been proven by anthony decide (an olf nofap youtubber) who decided to binge after 10 months in his reboot and he experienced all the negative symptoms, and he did so for just a couple of days

 

This right here goes to show how serious PMO is
a warning for those who think PAWS "is not a big deal, it's psychosomatic"
This might be more destructive than alcohol, cigarettes...

 

You're quoting a post I wrote 8 months ago when I was in the thick of the never ending PAWS delusion. I've come out the other side of it and am 100% back to normal. All I had to do was trust in the process, get my anxiety and stress under control , move on with my life and more importantly stop visiting the forum. I was fine within about 3 or 4 months.

This quote has absolutely fuck all relevance to what I'm saying now and has actually had the opposite effect of what you are trying to prove in the sense that I'm perfectly fine now and have abandoned that previous belief.

telling people that NOFAP paws is on the same level as heroin withdrawal which several long termers have done here is far far more destructive and frankly straight up hysterical bullshit than anything I've written recently.

 

I've relapsed(pmo) twice. Now some symptoms like tremors and shaking made a comeback. No one should not be in denial that pmo paws are a joke.

 

Indeed. In fact, I remember the last couple relapse binges; the first time I was caving in every time, I was heavily shaking and full on high from anticipation. Unquenchable butterfly-stomach, soft adrenaline-legs, very very shaky, and the only thing that mattered was porn and the feeling edging would give me. It's definitely endorphins and dopamine. The neuropsychiatrist I've been speaking to a couple times confirmed this and that it is dangerous.

I know that PAWS do exist. And if we do not come to this forum but still continue our nofap journey the symptoms will, of course, go away. It is not because we don't visit this website, it is because we continue NoFap long-term. Which I find is also a more logical explanation anyway.
But who knows, placebo is also very real so it could have been just that. Or a combination.

Whatever placebo works for me doesn't work for someone else, right.. because it only works if you believe it anyway

 

I understand where you come from.

But in the same way you can not just assume other people have long term PAWS for 1-2 years,
other people can not just assume that yóur symptoms disappeared by you stopping to visit this website and "just moving on".

How can we know right? How can yóu know for sure that your symptoms didn't just disappear because, despite not visiting this website, you still continued your nofap journey.. right?

Only God knows.. for sure

 

I mean anyone can know by trying what I've said dude lol. I have a feeling though most people would just stop going on the forum and still continously obsess while monitoring symptoms.

Each time I did a mega long streak I fell off the wagon for 6 months or more each time. I noticed a direct correlation with how I'm feeling and the urge to fap. Similar to how people need a cigarette.

Gonna state again here (this doesn't apply to you) I am not saying PAWS is a joke, I am not saying PAWS is not real, I am not saying it's all in the mind, I am not saying people are lying and making it up.

 

when did you relapse

 

@Younameit how long did it take you until your PAWS stopped and you felt normal?

This information could be useful. And not in terms of psychosomatic, but your genuine PAWS like anxiety and brain throbbing

 

Okay, I think we are then pretty much on the same page. I also don't want to discredit your personal experience either.

Plus I agree with you that there will come a time where lingering symptoms last so long that you will need to start looking for other things that may be causing it. And the fact that the placebo-effect may be one of them.