Stop calling it "masturbation" or "jerking off", call it as it is - "stroking dick"

Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by ultrafabber, Aug 22, 2019.

  1. What do you mean?
     
  2. Anubis Rises

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    i can orgasm just by viewing p without touching myself, im just curious if this happens to other males on this site, like if i abstain a month or so, all i gotta do is view it, the p is so intense at that point
     
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  3. ultrafabber

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    No, as in i need to feel one.

    Nope, far from it.
     
  4. Anubis Rises

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    so instead of masturbation can we call it, infant genocide enactment
     
  5. Oh ok. I'm sure this happens to other people, but it's never happened to me, but porn has never really been a problem for me. I can watch, or I can just as easily go with out. Not fussed either way.

    I've never had a spontaneous orgasm either, or ejaculated pureley from arousal, without contact or physical stimulation. I know others have though, so you're not alone.
     
  6. Well, I don't think that would be very accurate, since couples do not conceive most times the have intercourse.

    But in the end, if calling it something like that helps you want to masturbate less, than go for it.
     
  7. Do you feel like you would orgasm if you had your hand on someone else's dick?
     
  8. ultrafabber

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    No
     
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  9. IGY

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    Hi bud. You say there is a consensus for lgbt being nature only. Can you please link me to this evidence, I'd be interested in how they discovered this fact. Many thanks. :)
     
  10. Advocate109

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    Right... except it is...
     
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  11. Advocate109

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    I dont have access to these nor would I understand them, this is something I'm relaying from my old gay affirmation therapist.
     
  12. Advocate109

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    Plus I dont think it's a "consensus" cuz there will always be idiots like ultrafapper out there who dont believe it for religious purposes or other reasons. Regardless, it's been pretty proven you cant change your sexuality (considering the church tried to convert people for years and it has never worked) no matter how hard you want to. It's just nature
     
  13. need4realchg

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    Let the record show I personally find op to be poorly persuasive, offensive, hardheaded and pseudoscientific but he’s surely consistent.

    Historically , men are not created equal.

    Rich and poor; have and have nots.
    Some Marxian theories to explain and justify the unequal distribution of wealth so as to answer the base question of human inequality.

    Kings used the bible to justify their divine right to rule. Popes uses the same text to justify the removal of kings. Science was mocked in the Galilean hay-day, And the prevailing reasoning had to do with “how can you reason when you do not have power?” The flat-earth belief was justified and defended even when it was being chipped away at. The enslavement of people’s and subjugation of inferior races in the new worlds remained based in both the power and science of the the times in which they lived or “evolved.”

    Evolutionary science was originally used to denigrate entire races; and deny that these people literally had no choice.

    From the founding of monarchical societies through neoclassical, or renaissance era, and post-modern eras there is a segment of science that fulfills a defend the status quo at all costs.

    Ultimately....
    There is no science that undoes the human will of choice. No matter the bent of the mind, humans have choices. This was established in the bill of rights then put their lives and blood to defend it in 1776, then reestablished in the war of 1865 via the civil war and in Lincoln’s emancipation proclamation.

    Notwithstanding the advances that have been made, jefferson et. Al—- say that we must include “all men” in society.

    therefore you cannot declare all men be free, then reach back to use the expired reasons of 1,000 years ago and claim that this sub group of poor souls were born or bred for a purpose that is contradictory to that freedom.

    If you wish to interpret sexuality as choice-less; then you essentially make a robot out of a man. Nothing wrong with admitting a man’s preference (even to same sex), but to then baptize that preference by hardening it into a “subgenetic” programming to coincide with the modern SSM political subtext, —-makes zero sense.

    You might as well go back to saying “blacks are made to manage cows and Indians are made to harvest corn.”
     
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  14. Infrasapiens

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    Consistently stupid but consistent none the less.
     
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  15. Advocate109

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    Saying that sexuality is a choice is like saying allergies are a choice. Its built into you.
    If humans had a choice on their sexuality then all the gay people who didnt want to be gay and went to conversion camps and whatnot would have been converted. But that didnt happen.
     
  16. need4realchg

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    Love you bro, I appreciate your honesty and sorry for the lengthy answer. I am not trying to persuade you, neither am I trying to be politically correct. I’m laser-focused on honesty —- even more than morality so... feel free to disagree, I will still support you here, I appreciate your voice man.

    If humans don’t have a choice on how sexuality affects them, then sexual choices including addictions and compulsions (like pmo) are “hard wired” into our primal brain functions and imposible to change.

    Do you believe you are born to be a sex addict? What about a porn addict ?

    The fact I can stop pmo is evidence that my sexual components depend on my prefrontal cortex.

    On the inverse side, sexual drive is located in the mammalian brain. That means it’s void of morality—- it just is.

    I would say I can become gay, discover im gay, have gay sex ... and like I said In another thread I HAVE. My earliest sexual experiences were homosexual and I enjoyed it. In fact, I think my fascination and association with anal is a result of that.

    My older brother (in his 50’s now) also is Gay. And while I don’t have any reason to feel antagonism, I don’t have to agree with this premise to accept him or anyone else who “feels they were born” a certain way.

    We Can act independently of how we feel. Getting mad doesn’t always mean road rage right ?

    A lack of feeling does not justify a lack of morality.

    I feel little remorse often and make poor sexual decisions. I am learning to engage my higher reasoning not simply listen to my feelings.

    I relapsed to a gorgeous escort because I listened to my feelings. But this is what I mean... I can’t walk about claiming I was born to have escorts. That’s silly. Right ?

    If you choose to disengage your PFC then all you have left is base desire , scientists describe this impulse as “fight or flight.”

    I will agree with you that if you go to a “camp” and don’t engage your PFC then change is impossible. Just like the millions who try to quit porn and don’t engage their higher brain function which can manage sexual behavior.

    Sex CAN be just feeling or desire. Granted.

    I am struggling with that too — but I know (even in my rebelliousness) That sex was not only meant to be simply desire. You are meant to have connection. Like I said initially... I love (top)anal. I don’t imagine letting it go. I am not ready to pretend I will. But I’m not going to lie and say I was born for it. I was not. My feeling simply has nothing to do with biology.

    So to answer my own question , I was born with a predisposition to intense sexual curiosity and a higher drive (t-levels show that); but I still have to choose what I want to do with that. Make a 1,000 babies? Be the best dad I can be?

    Push my body to achieve, to accept and love myself?

    I am not stuck as a sex addict— nofap has shown me (in spite of years of a certain pathetic sexual lifestyle)—- I can certainly choose a different path.

    Admittedly I DONT want to 100%... at all times, but I am not going to let me , stop me from becoming a better me.
     
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  17. Advocate109

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    Again I will respond with a very simple truth. Sexual orientation is built into you and there is zero you can do to swing it one way or the other. Erotic orientation is more fluid however.
     
  18. need4realchg

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    Orientation is not built in you , it’s built upon you.

    Allergies, are not lifelong conditions either. They can be both developed early or late in life according to various life conditions and choices and interestingly even reversed or overcome. I used to be allergic to kiwis... Lol.

    In any case, I find your equivalency of sexual orientation to allergies to be a unique comparison.

    Subconsciously your Freudian slip indicates that homosexuality is a malady. I have not ever implied that (in disagreement with many here and the OP). Homosexuality is not a disease, or allergy. I don’t find the suggestion offensive but some might.

    Seeing the light/depth of your responses I encourage you nevertheless. I am not here to judge you but for healing.
    It’s a stupid cliche, but I have learned that you can do what you set your mind to do. If you can’t do it, the reasons for this are not because “you were born this way.”

    I was fully convinced that giving up porn was never going to happen. I accepted hell for me because it was impossible to achieve. I know now, if i could overcome after 25 years..., anyone can. Not going to be easy, but it is possible.

    I say... evolutionists have told us that blacks were “born this way” to explain their predisposition to hard labor, then after reconstruction said their inability to achieve was because the negro Brain was underdeveloped and proved through inability to be educated. Later, the same school of thought suggest inner city problems, prolific violence, and family dysfunction is permanent because of the condition of their birth as minorities, or broken homes.

    Bullshit.

    Yes life had challenges. But nobody today should feel that they are only as good as the level they were born.

    Think about that. You were not born to be doomed or pigeonholed friend. That was for those who lived in medieval times.

    Thanks for your perception.
     
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