"You can't say you love animals if you still eat meat."

It depends on whether that being would need to consume human flesh in order to survive. I'm not asking anyone to feel sorry for what they decide to eat. But I am asking that you consider that your actions are causing unnecessary suffering. Humans do not need to enslave and kill animals in order to survive - so why do you support it? You can't stop a lion from eating a gazelle, but you can decide to stop paying farmers to rape cows and slit their throats - it won't spell the end of your life. We have moral agency, and being moral means minimizing unnecessary suffering as much as possible.

 

There are many things we can "live without", yet as human beings we have the ability to pick and choose what we eat and what we do. I enjoy meat not just for its nutritional value, but also the taste, so if you're suggesting I'm a bad person because of my reasoning then so be it.

We may not need them to survive (even though that argument could be made for almost everything), but when you're brought up in a culture that consumes meat, that's what you take with you especially if you enjoy it so much. Giving it up isn't something I'd personally be able to do, maybe that's easy for you (if you're a vegan or not) but not me.

If scientists came out with a meat that was pretty much the same texture, flavour, and vitamins, then I suppose I could switch to that. Nobody is researching much on that front and rather, all we have today that's newer in food technology is "cricket flour". Which is honestly weird to me because now they're breeding crickets and squashing them, replacing killing one thing with another I guess.

I don't want to argue man, if your moral conscious is higher in that regard then good for you, but for me I can't do it. But that doesn't mean I can't love my pets or other animals, which is what this thread was about, because I very much do.

 

Some animals are breed to be eaten and that's eat . Chicken and a dog are different . You don't eat dog ? So you fine .

Right approach . Shout out to you man !


I CAN go vegan, but I am clever G, I know they scheming !
Variety is healthy .

 

these guys are just gatekeeping. hypocrisy is getting your attention. your love for animals can be a spectrum. these guys just want to talk or argue

 

You can say you love some animals but you can't claim to love the animals you eat.

 

Well I have experience with volunteer work at animal shelter where all kinds of wildlife came. I would be doing it only at a kitty-pupper shelter if I just loved mostly dogs and cats.

 

That hit me hard

 

There are 7 billion people in the world, I don't think we can feed all of them with vegan or vegetarian food. In India
most of the population are vegan and yet they have problem with poverty and hunger, I don't have anything against vegans or any person lives style you choose, what food is on your plate doesn't tell me anything about your decency or character you have. You who take care of animals is a very noble thing and shows that you have common sense, and you don't have to feel ashamed for eating meat, I know for some people who quit vegans lifestyle because they had health problems which were associated with their diet.

 

Not sorry. Thankful. Having respect.

 

My health has shown a marked improvement since I started eating meat regularly. Even things like small cuts on my hands healing quicker.

They do eat dogs in Korea, btw. Westerners over there are trying to have it banned, like good little busybodies. Korean people say those dogs are bred to be eaten. But a Westerner finds it unacceptable because we humanize dogs to such an extent, and it's too close to cannibalism.

Health-wise, I'd say eating meat's good. I also thing vegans and vegetarians are trying to be holier-than-thou and avoid their own deaths by not killing other animals. I also find it hard to accept any arguments that the world can't sustain its current population when I see so many gardens without food growing in them, whether we eat meat or animals.

 

I never said I wasn't thankful, but let's be honest, vegan thinking is a bit flawed. They claim since they eat vegetables and things from earth they're not harming anything right?

Well, there's growing evidence to suggest plants and such feel pain in a different way, and through studies they've found tomatoes emit distress frequency signals ranging from low to high when being chewed on or cut. Why is it okay to essentially murder plants and bugs but not animals such as cows or chickens, because they have at least a small brain and plants do not?

I guess we all have to decide what's morally right in our eyes, because honestly, I have a plant at home and personally feel awful when I have to trim it's leaves off.

 

What a solid argument. I'm impressed. I guess there's no difference between killing a plant and killing an animal. Guess I'll go back to eating meat.

 

Man, what a way to say something so meaningless. If that's what you supposedly took from what I said then sorry, it was lost on you.

 

Plants do not have small brains or feel pain. They respond to stimuli, but that is different from feeling pain. Viruses also respond to stimuli, but we don't even consider them to be alive. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS MAKING MEANINGLESS ARGUMENTS, NOT I.

The fundamental question of ethical veganism is this: why is it morally acceptable to kill a sentient animal that has no reason to be killed? I have yet to see a valid answer to that question on this forum.

And the reason I troll and post half-assed replies is because I am getting close to being able to induce that no one here is equipped or has the integrity to engage in a good-faith discussion on the topic.

I'll give you a hint. You could have made an interesting argument by saying that veganism does not guarantee that animals do not suffer, since plant agriculture is responsible for X amount of animal deaths due to pesticide, harvesting methods, etc.

 

Actually, your entire post was completely meaningless, seeing as the goal was just to make a backhanded insult towards what I said, you contributed absolutely nothing. Just because you see my opinion as "meaningless" means nothing to me.

If that's what you think then that's your own problem, I wasn't even talking to you in the first place. You say that stuff like my posts don't apparently measure up to whatever laughable standard you have in your head, come on man, you sound like a movie critic. I'm not stupid and know the difference between pain and stimuli, and maybe I could have taken the time to explain what I mean if you were a nice guy, but I'm done with you.

If you think what I said was apparently "half-ased" and you need to make those edgy remarks in your replies to get things across, then go "troll" someone else with your inflammatory/superiority complex, because I honestly don't need your validation.

 

I would die but not eat other animal to live. I can't see eating flesh as loving animals.

 

Iv been on nofap for years, discovered it in 2014, I always felt great. Last year I went full on plant based and it's brought nofap up to a whole other level for me. I went plant based because I love animals. I feel like I have been rewarded for this, iv never felt better and my conscience is clean, I'm not contributing to the porn industry which enslaves humans, many of the watchers and many of the participants. I don't eat or drink animal products which enslaves the living things, is bad for the environment and wastes a hell of a lot of food, these animals need to be fed, while millions in some parts of the world are starving to death. To me it's a no brainer, but as many of my friends and acquaintances say "I would miss the taste of cheese" kind of reminds me of the "I can't give up porn bruhhh" mentality

 

Your last “counter argument” is also meaningless to vegans since most vegans are against the present methods of farming and do not support the use of pesticides, herbicides, or any other chemical solution. It also doesn’t really change the scope of the debate since a vegan who does support those things would argue that their harm was not intentional vs someone who eats meat.

The debate comes down to the definition of love. What is love? Are there various levels of love? Since no one here has the authority to define love, the conversation is really just opinions being thrown at each other while being self-righteous and condescending.

 

Life feeds on life, surviving is not thriving, we are animals too, taste comes inherintenly in humans, no one had to teach you that certain foods taste good, appetites and cravings have a deficiency relation, at the end of the day, is your choice.

Ahhhh, the vegan rabbithole.... nice memories of self-rightousness.

 

Well I see vegans argue about how killing animals affects environment because of due to the gases emitted after the death of the animal, but what most vegans don't know or don't mention that production of soy is right on second place for pollution.
At the end of the day I think our impact on nature is not that big as many would make you believe. It is forces beyond
our control that determine our state in the atmosphere