A masturbatory self-flagellation ritual featuring the mythical White Supremacy™ followed by a comparison that makes zero sense. About as lucid as an average regime journalist - is this the best feminist scholarship has to offer? Wait, that's actually not surprising at all.
Her main point is that the sex trade and the P industry wouldn't exist if women weren't seen as sexual objects, and dehumanized by culture, in the first place. It's okay if you didn't catch that quickly. BTW That's only a snippet, there's a whole interview.
There's more people like her, for example Robert Jensen (yes a man) famous for supporting the same views and being sympathetic to radical feminist viewpoint. He's famous for his book Pornography and The end of masculinity.
I admit I still do not catch it since it's not a point she is making at all in the video. If it is in the longer version, why did you post this part? But this claim about origins of pornography is quite bizarre as well. Women are dehumanized by culture? That's an insane statement. You're correct in that women are viewed as sex objects and if they weren't, porn would probably not exist. And if pigs could fly, then...
Women are dehumanized by culture because they are primarily viewed as sex objects. That's the point. She's making an analogy between the way racist criminals exhibit their deeds and show the cruelty they inflicted upon their victims' bodies, and the way women are degraded and denigrated in the P industry's presentation of sexual interactions. According to her, the drive behind a racist criminal showing his superiority by exposing his sadistic acts to the public is identical to the drive behind the humiliating treatement mostly reserved to women at the hands of men in the sex trade and P industry : in other words it's the sexual framing of machismo.
The idea that porn is dehumanizing is true. To a degree. It doesn't imply, though, that those who watch it are literally terrorists. Empathy fluctuates on most humans but on a few gurus. You can deeply love someone and hate them one minute later due to former unknown truths. Historically, however, all complex cultures had prostitution hidden or at plain sight. The known Rome, the secluded Japan, and even the pre-Columbian indigenous peoples. It is no byproduct of white supremacy, but of sexual desires ruling the minds of people.
I think you need to watch the video again to understand her point, she never intended to say that prostitution is a byproduct of white supremacy.
Viewed by whom, you? The most dominant and lasting cultural picture of womanhood in the West is Mary, the mother of Jesus. There is nothing sexual about her, even the thought itself seems inappropriate. Yeah, that's more like what I got from the video. It wouldn't be a good analogy even if this characterization of pornography were correct, which it isn't. The goal of the Ku Klux Klan wasn't to make blacks subservient but to get rid of them. Do you think patriarchal machos want to deport women out of their countries? Mainstream pornography is not a display of some unnatural male dominance - trust me on this, I've seen more than a fair share. Nor are porn actresses particularly degraded, at least not more than their male counterparts. It's just an eye candy that emasculates the viewer which I am surprised that feminists don't applaud.
If you looked more at her work, you'll realize her position is the complete rejection of the sex trade, as there would be no prostitution if women weren't already dehumanized and put in the position of sex object.
Of course women are also portrayed as sex objects in the culture. Because that's what they are, among other things. Ditto for men.
Yes, primarely. If women weren't foremost viewed as sex objects , something like the sex trade wouldn't exist. That's the only way that makes sense, the existence of the madonna-wh*re complex doesn't deny the fact that women are mainly seen as sexual objects more than full human beings. Thanks for admitting what you think. A refreshing moment of honesty.
That's a false dichotomy since human beings *are* sexual objects. If we weren't, the species would have died out a long time ago. I am always honest. Just like you when describing your own sexualization of men on this site.
The objectification of women in P goes beyond simply featuring nudity. It involves reducing women to mere objects for sexual pleasure and disregarding their individuality, agency, and dignity. This is often achieved through the use of the male gaze as the default perspective of the camera, which reinforces the notion that women are there solely for the pleasure of men. This perspective reinforces the notion that women are objects to be looked at, rather than complex human beings with feelings, desires, and thoughts of their own. P remains massively dehumanizing to women, with the language used to describe them often being degrading and disrespectful. Words like "sl*t" and "b*tch" are used routinely, perpetuating negative stereotypes and promoting harmful attitudes towards women. This reinforces the idea that women are only valued for their sexual availability and that they are inferior to men. Moreover, mainstream P promotes unhealthy gender dynamics. The vast majority of its content reinforces machismo and the idea that men are entiteled to dominate and subjugate women. This dynamic is particularly evident in the way that women are depicted, with many mainstream content scenes featuring aggressive, forceful, and even violent sexual acts. This underlying message is that women's bodies are not their own and that they should be subjected to sexual acts that they may not want or enjoy. I'm not saying that all sexualisation is wrong, it's fine to feel attracted to people. However P doesn't encourage healthy attraction, it normalises the idea that women should only be viewed as sexual object only worthy of being used. And given the fact that males aren't socialized to develop the rigid mental inhibitions females do, they start consuming P much earlier, and much more frequently, which makes them more prone to internalise the dynamics and perceptions of P, and build their whole sexuality around them. Sexual attraction is a normal part of human sexuality and can be based on a variety of factors, including physical appearance. You can be sexually attracted to someone without reducing them to mere object of sexual desire, without regard for their individuality nor humanity. Although there are common features between sexual attraction and sexual objectification, these are two different mental processes.
I remember one day you said "look now we have only fans" in an accusing tone suggesting that you view it as negative and blame feminists for it, supposedly, supporting this, and now that I expressed my position on the sex trade you suggest that it's more convenient for us to applaud it. Which one is it boy ? Does it make sense for us to applaud it or not ?
At the very least you should not complain, as it is your doing. Patriarchy is no more, you killed it. When it still existed, it did keep women in check. What you seem to overlook is that it kept men in check too. There was order. When you were young and didn't know anything, you were lead on a scheduled path, to later find out that it saved your life. Then feminists and other leftists destroyed the system because they wanted freedom. Now people have to figure out everything on their own. Now you've got your freedom, you've got your gynocracy, and you don't like the results. The main ill of pornography, one of the ugly children of feminist-supported sexual revolutions, is not that it "dehumanizes women" but that it is a part of psychological castration of males, which makes a great mix with the chemical castration that is delivered through the environment polluted by birth control medicine - thank you for that too - and other xenoestrogens. Marriage is in the toilet after surviving for thousands of years. Western populations are dying out because women refuse to have children. Everyone is depressed and lonely. Liberalism is more destructive than any kind of totalitarianism.
I know it is an off-topic, but to keep up heated discussions through scarecrows is quite meaningless. People are entitled to be left or right-wingers for their liberties due. Mind it that we're all in this together. Feminism is no evil to be fought. Nor it is conservatism. Our foe in this forum is PMO. There are always people behind the screens. Never forget it. Arguments can be fairly written in a sensitive manner, in order to attack them instead of the human beings themselves. Please, maintain a civil, mature tone. This all seems counterproductive. I'm unfollowing this tread.
