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How to stop objectifing women?

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by NightReaper775, Mar 23, 2017.

  1. NightReaper775

    NightReaper775 Fapstronaut

    Hello, I am 99 days into my reboot, and I have a topic to discuss. Hopefully you can help me. Sorry if the text triggers you in any way.

    My reboot helped me with my social interactions, made me a more relaxed human being overall, motivated me to start learning a lot of things, and on top of that now I can manage my time and energy better than ever, but I have this problem about sexual arousal... I do not get too "horny" though, which may be a sign of my rewiring, but I still tend to look at women's bodies too sexually. Specially in the metro, at university or in the street, if I see a big pair of boobs I immediately look at them, and then, as fast as I look I stop looking acknowledging my mistake. I really want and I am starting to see women as complete human beings, without easily imagining me jumping towards them, or them in sexual positions; but as I of course cannot help but have these situations where I am surrounded by good looking women, I feel like my progress is not as good as it could be.

    What did you do to start seeing women as you see men? In other words, how do you start seeing them as complete human beings, thinking of them in a caring, loving manner and not with pure sexual desire?
     
  2. Grow_out_of_it

    Grow_out_of_it Fapstronaut

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    I completely understand your problem. Been doing it before NoFap but some how I've managed to overcome it. For me it got away with the time. As you said you realize that it's wrong so you look away. So i consider it as a progress. If you would not have realized it as a mistake them it was a matter of concern.
    I'm just 39 days in and honestly I still sometimes think about them in sexual manner but it has reduced a lot. So in your case I will say ypu are progressing amd with passage of time it will be gone completely.
    I'm sure after somedays you will get over it. Just give it time and deal it with patience. Know when you are staring at them a d immediately stop yourself from doing it.
    Stay strong brother and 99 days is awesome streak. Keep up with the progress. :)
     
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  3. It is natural to look at women. Do not be too ashamed of your sexual desires. Many women dress so they can get attention from men. It sucks for fapstronauts who are trying to reboot though. Maybe you need some more rebooting. Maybe it is as it is supposed to be. I am currently at day 45 and I notice that I am almost automatically checking out women all over the place. They catch me and I act embarrassed lol, just like when I was in my early teens.
     
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  4. It's important to remember you're also human. And obviously sexual. It's completely okay to notice sexual attributes on people, and even to be a bit aroused by them. What's not okay is using those things as an excuse to justify your own behavior objectifying that person. It's not like a girl has a lot of control over the size of her breasts without medical help. They're just part of her. It might be best to just acknowledge that you had the thought, and then let it go and move on. It's no big deal... just treat her like a person, she already IS a complete human being. Which you will anyway.

    And congrats on the full reboot!
     
  5. NightReaper775

    NightReaper775 Fapstronaut

    Thanks a lot guys.

    @Grow_out_of_it Yes, I do notice a difference. In fact I could say that there are some women I know that had become "more" to me, and it is weird now to think of them sexually, before that I think about their personality, them being in romantic situations, or some situation that happened, which is nice as I am getting back into reality. To sum up, it could be that maybe my recovery is slower that yours, which is good for you!

    @Nofapsincebirth Well, but that is the point, maybe that is not really sexuality, society imposes us a lot of meanings, like heterosexual sex being only to purely (sorry for the triggers, again) penetrate a woman or to play with her breasts and her body, almost like it is some kind of thing that we cannot fully grasp, as our mere object of desire that we seek to "hold" more and more. However, where is the emotion side of things? It is never shown, and I do not want to get rid of sex, I just want to feel the experience of love and sex both in a physical but also in a romantic way, to feel like I am one with my partner and to be present in my relationships with them.

    @StrokerNotStroking That is true, maybe the act of focusing too much on forgetting only helps to reinforce the thought. May I say that it could be a matter of my own ideas about women, like when I relate breasts with sexual arousal, like a purely sexual object. If I could manage to stop thinking too much it would be better.
     
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  6. Overcoming prone

    Overcoming prone New Fapstronaut

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    I'm not sure where you're at now, but if you want to overcome this objectification treat all women equally, not just putting the attractive women on a pedestal, acknowledge and treat unattractive girls equally and with interest too. Attraction is natural. Do not feel bad about it, it is a natural part of life and being human. If you want a relationship, focus on becoming the best version of yourself rather than chasing a woman and the right one will come into your life and join you on your journey. If this is an area you are interested in and want to improve, I recommend reading How to be a 3% Man by Coach Corey Wayne and The Game by Neil Strauss and watching videos from Corey on youtube. Good luck and find balance in your life!
     
  7. (Trigger warning)

    Women have nice breasts, lips, arms, legs.. rich, silky skin...it's probably warm, soft, and smooth too...not to be confused with alligator skin. They move in a way that flawlessly combines power with grace. Fear not: you already learned all of this when you were a teenager. This is why I find no reason at all to stare at women's bodies in public. You already have all the information you need to know about this aspect of them. All that staring will accomplish is making her uncomfortable. Focusing on more substantial aspects of her being, such as her emotions and spirit, is far more enticing, and powerful.

    This is why, with women, I make eye contact first and only...there is something else with that form of communication that is eternally interesting to me. You can tell if they are happy, upset, bored, curious.....how they feel about life, how they feel about you, their hesitation, and more.

    Pure attention to her body is a relatively insubstantial form of attraction. Attention to her emotions, spirit, and being, is stronger. Attention to both is unbeatable.

    "When you base your expectations only on what you see, you blind yourself to the possibility of a new reality"

    -(If you can tell me where this quote is from you deserve a cookie! Unless you used a search engine...then you only get the chocolate chips :/ )
     
  8. Ongoingsupport

    Ongoingsupport Fapstronaut

    I'm going to approach this from a more general point of view, hopefully it makes sense because I think it could be helpful. What I mean is rather than only sexual objectification, consider giving up objectification of all kinds, certainly with people. In a way a hetero guy looking at a role model is also objectificating, just because he doesn't find that person attractive but rather want to be like him, maybe for his ability to attract woman that is still sexual objectification in a sense - in the sense you are framing the person in this limited way. And maybe some guys objectify themselves in some way. As I said it doesn't even have to be in a sexual way, a guy can fancy himself as smart and objectify himself that way, but that just mean seeing yourself as an intellectual object rather than a sexual object, in my book that isn't automatically better - and isn't particularly smart.

    And the reason for giving it up is it isn't the whole story of what's going on. When we objectify we put this filter on whatever we are looking at, whether it's ourselves or other people. For me the ultimate reason is it isn't ultimately true, or it's just a small part of what's happening. A body is actually a very complex process of biology, psychology and interactions with other people and the environment with all kinds of nuances. The more we see this reality for what it is the more we are in reality and the more possibilities we see, which certainly carries over into relationship possibilities. To illustrate you may not even objectify physical objects, if anyone reading this ever watched McGuyver he would do do stuff like use eggs to fix a broken radiator, because they become cooked and seal it. Whether how realistic those scenarios are is not the point, but the point is he thought outside the box but thought in terms of the laws of physics and how to work with that rather than the in the box thinking of broken machine needs broken part from the store - you know what I mean?
     
  9. NightReaper775

    NightReaper775 Fapstronaut

    Oh, 99 days... That was nice indeed!

    Thanks for the advice, if I understood correctly you mean I should stop identifying with some characteristic, or watching the world through those type of lenses, right?

    In fact, I think the cause of my repeated relapses is that I pay too much attention to my thoughts, I tend to sexualize every woman's picture I come across, or to really believe my fantasies or my ideas about myself (many which are really depressive I found out lately). The hetero guys part is also true, I tend to watch strong men and think "oh, if I only were that big...", but that's rubbish, firstly I could if I dedicated myself to doing it and secondly, that guy also has his problems. I have to stop comparing, objectifying and seeing myself as an inferior man.

    Thanks for the advice, I remembered the better spirit I had during that streak.
     
  10. Ongoingsupport

    Ongoingsupport Fapstronaut

    Yes. We might think of objectification in terms of math, and it's sort of like saying x + y = x when that's only a part of it, and ignoring the addition operator and the y variable. And in reality, there are a lot more variables than that, but we just end up kind of ignoring the rest of what's going on and our attention is just focusing on the x and it's all x because that's all the primitive brain understands. The intelligent way would be to look to get as many of the variables and as much of the equation as possible, and even seeing that I, even in my porn addictedness is only a part of the equation - and while we may not be able to totally avoid at least some p-Sub looking stuff in this world we can control our variables, even if some of the instinctual part isn't fully in our control yet there are things we can do to deal with it even if it's in an indirect way.
     

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