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Is it possible to heal completely from porn addiction?

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by hokipa, Dec 29, 2022.

  1. hokipa

    hokipa Fapstronaut

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    Hi guys, I’ve always thought people could completely heal and recover from porn but as I keep reading other people stories, some doubts come to my mind
    Why do people PMO clean for 1 year or more sometimes keep relapsing and start their journey from 0? This means addiction isn’t cured at all or you wouldn’t find yourself in the same rabbit hole over and over?
    Then I found this article online and my fear starts being more concrete
    Can someone who’s more than 3/4 years PMO clean assure me that overcoming this addiction by ourselves is possible? Or is it just my withdrawals anxiety that’s kicking in right now? And do withdrawals (this sense of void and derealization) actually disappear with time or did I permanently damage something in my brain? Thx for your replies
     

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  2. Alleman

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    I think it depends on what you mean with "heal completely". In my opinion you should define a clear goal for your NoFap journey. Do you want to get rid of any issues that you encounter during Sex with a real partner? (ED, premature ejaculation, etc.) Do you want to abstain from porn for a period of time or forever?

    It doesn't sound encouraging but I once have heard that everybody will relapse sooner or later. And I actually agree. In fact, in 2020 I had a strike of around 270 days. I broke it because I was triggered by a computer game that had a short erotic scene. In that moment my body was filled with the feeling of excitement that I knew from the times when I was browsing through Porn and in a Moment of unrational thinking I found myself ejaculating to Porn. The worst part is that I did not see any negative impact. The Sex with my wife was still good. So my mind told me: "You see? You can have Porn from time to time with no negative impact." And like this I slipped back into old habits. And after a while all the negative impacts appeared again.

    So, coming back to your question, if it is your goal to never watch porn again, I am afraid that most of us will not "heal completely". This is a never ending project where you have strong periods and weak periods.

    My personal goal is to improve my sexlife with my partner. For this I have to avoid Porn as much as I can. Will I relapse? I am pretty sure. But I will enjoy as much as possible the time between the relapses.
     
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  3. NewPaths

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    Hi hokipa, great question! Thanks for asking!

    This is actually something I am going to be posting on more soon, and my experience with exactly what you're asking.

    I've been what I would consider "free" from porn and masturbation for around 2 1/2 years, after struggling with it for over 20 years.

    In my experience, the game-changer was learning how to effectively handle and resolve the urge when it hit me. You described that urge very well: "In that moment my body was filled with the feeling of excitement that I knew from the times when I was browsing through Porn..."

    When I started to focus on learning how to handle that urge effectively, having a clear, step-by-step plan that was in place in advance, I started having major victories. I found that I was building a skill, and the more I did it, the easier it got.

    Now, to answer your question, what happened to me was that the urges did decrease in frequency and in intensity. But I still get urges. I can't imagine being a functioning male and not ever feeling the urge to watch porn, especially given the fact that we, in this current time in history, can literally see any image or video we want within a few seconds. How could anyone not feel the urge when that option is constantly at our fingertips?!

    But the bottomline was that for me, urges do still come, but they are fewer and farther between, and less intense than in the past. And the key for me is that I know EXACTLY what I am going to do when the next urge hits me. I have a plan in place, and I know it works. And because of this, I actually look forward to the next urge, because it gives me another opportunity to practice this skill and to get even better at it.

    You mentioned overcoming this addiction "by ourselves." In my experience, if you want to drastically increase your chances of achieving freedom, include others in your journey. You already are by being on this forum! Way to go! If you want to increase your chances even more, consider meeting with an in-person group like Sexual Addicts Anonymous (I believe this is the name of the 12-step group), or Pure Desire (which I have met with for almost 3 years). There's nothing like sitting with a group of other individuals who know exactly what it's like, seeing the nodding heads, hearing others going through similar things, and hearing hope and encouragement live and in person.

    Lastly, while urges do still come, living in this freedom is absolutely a night and day difference compared to before. It's amazing. I am no longer controlled by the urges. My time is my own again. I don't feel that constant shame, guilt, and fear of my wife finding out. I no longer feel divided, like part of me is hiding. I feel more whole, integrated, confident. It's amazing, and absolutely worth pursuing hard after and paying hard costs to achieve it.

    Hopefully this helps. But don't give up. Freedom is possible, and it is absolutely worth it!
     
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  4. Psalm27:1my light

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    You cannot overcome it by yourself. You will need help and support. It requires a lot of work, commitment and life changes. Studies suggest only 5% get into long term recovery (5 + years clean) and relapse is most common at around one year of sobriety. You have permanently changed your brain with your addiction but because of plasticity you can overwrite those neuropathways with new coping mechanism’s. Watch the backwards bicycle to understand better how your brain works. Too many come to these forums and think they will just stop, when reality is it’s much harder and more work than they realized. Counseling, group, accountability partners, journaling, educating yourself on how to change and what you’re doing to yourself are all steps towards healing that most don’t ever practice. Treating Pornography Addiction by Dr. Kevin Skinner is a great book to help get started. Seeing a csat, addressing any mental health issues like depression, adhd, or neurodiversity like autism if you’re on the spectrum. Is it hard? Yes, very. Impossible? No.
     
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  5. hokipa

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    Well I keep reading and watching videos about rebooters, about the negative effects of porn and write on these forums just to keep my mind on track
    What I mean by “by ourselves” is without therapy, can I overcome this addiction for good with information, strenght and willpower alone? If I find a way to cope with urges (right now for example I start thinking about something else when a sexual thought occurs so that I don’t indulge in it, the same with TV scenes where I can get triggered, I literally go away or turn my head to not see them)

    As regards withdrawals instead, do they all go away once and for all or just soften with time?
     
  6. Psalm27:1my light

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    Only you control you. You choose. So theoretically, yes you can overcome by just stopping. Just stop. Is it likely? No. Go to sa or saa groups or pure desire, find a group that’s free and can help. Get accountability partners, again free. A csat can greatly help you but many can’t afford them. So read everything you can. Facing the shadow by Carnes is a good workbook to go through. It took my husband 4-6 months before we noticed changes. He’s 4 years into recovery and still has struggles ( urges) but he’s better armed to address them now. The last 2 years has been the most growth and change. He says it gets much easier but he never takes it for granted and always does something for his “ recovery” work. He goes to 2 group meetings a week ( and has for 4 years now) sees his csat once a month and has several accountability partners. Fortunately ( unfortunately?) I know immediately if he’s struggling or slipped based solely on his behaviors. He’s much better at self awareness now ( knowing his addiction cycle was a huge help) but in the beginning, I usually pointed it out to him. He is much more mindful now, but we had to address his depression, and adhd before he had any real success with his addiction. You really need to understand yourself. To know yourself. I think that’s where counseling helps immensely.
     
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  7. hokipa

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    Well I think it also depends on the severity of the addiction and the duration of it, I’m 25 and been addicted since 17 or 16 (I don’t remember clearly) but anyway in my case the addiction lasted less than 10 years so I guess I can’t compare my situation to long time addicted (25/30 years of porn) and it’s obvious that in these cases you could still be struggling 4 years in your recovery
    When I talk about depression, sense of void and sadness I think it’s part of the withdrawals as I read in different forums
    Guess the only way to know if all of this strange sense of derealization is due to abstinence and withdrawals is going on, keep struggling to find freedom, hope it’s gonna come soon
     
  8. Psalm27:1my light

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    Although they don’t yet have enough studies or facts, I don’t think the amount of time you’ve been adducted is the most harmful/worst factor. I think it’s far more harmful for you younger men. Many have been viewing unlimited porn while their brains were developing. So those pathways are stronger because they were introduced and learned at such a young age. Think of how easy you learn things as a child, riding a bike ( which you never forget) swimming, languages etc…. If you didn’t start until 17, then you have less damage than someone who started at 9 even if you both only have 10 yrs of addiction. If that makes sense? This is why young men at 20 are experiencing pied while it took until age 45 for my husband to experience that same damage. He didn’t grow up with unlimited porn. He couldn’t get it. All we had were magazines and it was very difficult to get those. We didn’t have internet until he was almost 40 and even then it wasn’t high speed. Don’t get discouraged if it takes longer than you think. But don’t minimize the damage that’s been done either. This addiction is very easy for the addict to “ compromise or justify or minimize” behaviors that keep you in your addiction. Seriously, treat recovery as if your life depends on it. Get clean and sober and watch how your life will change! Addiction is terrible. It will affect every aspect of your life and relationships, but you won’t see it until it’s destroyed everything. No one, not even my husband , knew he was an addict. Once we knew, our entire life and marriage started to change. He is a completely different man. 5 years ago, I couldn’t wait to divorce him, when he walked into a room, I walked out. I hadn’t said I love you in 17 years, he’d say “I love you” and I’d say “that’s good, or ok”. Months before he began recovery he said “ I really like you” and I said “ I don’t like you”. I couldn’t wait to escape, was just waiting on my youngest to graduate. That’s completely changed with him starting recovery work and getting clean. He’s my favorite person in the world tied only with my kids. He’s amazing to me. My best friend.
     
  9. Hi @hokipa, I was able to leave my addiction to P behind me about 13 years ago. I no longer get urges to view P, it is no longer appealing to me, my mind is as pure as when I was a child and knew nothing about P. I don’t remember p scenes anymore. It all fades away slowly into the distance. The less you think about something, your mind erases it.

    How did I do it? Two separate 12 step groups, two therapists, spoke to two different ecclesiastical leader about it, was open and honest about it with my girlfriend, held myself accountable, and after we got married, my wife and I went one full year without internet in our home. We had to walk to the library and use a public computer if we needed to look something up. This all might sound extreme but this is what it took for me to leave p and never look back. And yes, I consider myself 100% healed. It is possible, but many people aren’t willing to put in the required work.
     
  10. hokipa

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    Thanks for your evidence, so do you think I can heal by myself or do I need to go to therapy? I’m a very volitional person so I think I can manage to stop for good knowing the damages of P use but I was afraid complete reboot wasn’t possible if not supervised by a therapist
    cause in the last month I’ve been feeling strange, like I wasn’t uncomfortable in my own body, also experienced some depression and anxiety and I read it could be withdrawals, will these sensations ever go away?
     
  11. It's fully possible to recover but believing that you will never ever be interested in porn again is not realistic IMHO; it's something that you'll need to be careful about for life, just like a gambling addict or alcoholic.

    Once we create a habit, it's in our brains forever; this is both good and bad. You just need to avoid it and then the habit becomes grey and dusty in your mind and you won't even know it's there. Listen to the latest episode of the Diary of a CEO podcast to learn more about addictions and overcoming them.

    It's important to remember that this forum is not filled with every person in the world giving up PMO; just the ones that choose to find this forum for help – most likely the most addicted. Some people give it up quite quickly and easily. Another reason some people's posts can get you down is the people that are doing really well tend to leave these forums behind as they are finally free from PMO. They don't want to keep thinking about PMO all the time, so you see more negative than positive here. They're out living their lives without PMO getting in the way.

    When I recovered, I wasn't thinking about this forum. I left a quick post and then got back to life. But I was a fool and a shitty few days pushed me back to it. Don't let the fear get you down. The withdrawals only prove that you have a problem.

    Read the success stories, of which there are many.
     
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  12. As for the depression and anxiety, I found that they were worsened at first as the withdrawal was kicking in. My dopamine was all messed up so I drank more coffee and used Instagram. A therapist is an excellent idea and keeping as social as possible really helps. Porn substitutes prolong the negative IMHO; I was doing this for ages and barely realized I was doing this!
     
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  13. I think it might be possible to overcome it on your own, but not probable. The problem is that addiction thrives on secrecy. The way that the addiction is extinguished is by being open and honest about it with yourself and with others. You might look into some 12 step programs to start with. I tried to overcome it myself for many years. It was just too hard to do it by myself.
     
  14. hokipa

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    So is there a way out to withdrawals? I don’t wanna feel these strange sensations I never experienced in life forever

    I know that we must always keep our guard up with this evil thing, but if you can completely heal and then you decide to never come back to those videos even when you feel aroused you can consider yourself healed

    I mean, it’s like dealing with drugs, if there are heroin addicts that managed to completely heal there’s a chance for us too i believe
     
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  15. All addictions are like that.
    There's not a time when someone is totally healed.
    But with PMO, you can recover and build a good life.
    Then later on, you won't be using the sex drive the way you used to do.
    When you have sex, it won't be looking at a screen with your hand.
    It's with someone you care about who cares about you.
    You gain self-control through this process of self-improvement and value-creation.
     
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  16. hokipa

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    I just want to come back to the person I was before stopping, don’t get me wrong, a better version of that but in terms of sensations and mental perceptions, I wasn’t uncomfortable in my own body, right now I feel like I am, I know it’s probably withdrawals-induced but I just want these sensations to end and start enjoying life as I did before with a glimpse of hope and faith in the future (right now nothing enthuses me like before)
     
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  17. Withdrawals are a part of the healing process and they are miserable. You have to go through them but eventually they will go away completely. Just be patient as your mind tries to heal itself.

    To overcome the addiction, you must remove everything that causes you to relapse. It may require extreme effort. You may have to get rid of your smartphone and computer, etc. Think of it this way: the addiction is like someone who has a hammer and keeps hitting themselves in the head with it. Their head won’t heal until you take away the mechanism that is hurting it. Remove the hammer and the head heals. If you were on a desert island, you would get over your addiction to P!
     
  18. hokipa

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    I get it, I promise everytime a sexual thought arises from nowhere and it triggers me I will exercise, play guitar or doing whatever it takes to not giving up until cravings become manageable, I decided to quit FOR GOOD and I will, thank you all for your support
     

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