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Making efforts to date but it's difficult...

Discussion in 'Dating during a Reboot' started by fieryelf, Apr 27, 2017.

  1. Salutations to you all. I thought I'd stop by and tell you my story. I've been on NoFap for 5 months with continual relapses every 3-4 weeks but fortunately I'm still seeing positive effects.

    I'm now 33 years old, never had a girlfriend, still virgin, never kissed a girl and I'm pretty sure I'm suffering of "Avoidant personality disorder" and before last year I had never even had a date in my entire life, and that would've gone on for an other 10 years had it not been for a girl who approached me to do something with me outside of work. Since I had no clue what I was doing she went back home and we never spoke again. I was depressed for 4 months straight thinking to myself that things were indeed as I envisioned them to be "I'm a worthless piece of trash with women".

    Eventually I tried to get out of my depression and told to myself "I managed to attract one beautiful girl without even trying, Imagine what I could do If I put some effort into it". So I went after a girl I knew a little, again a really attractive girl. I flirted on and off with her for 4 months or so. Honestly I was just trying to get used to talking to girls (Cognitive Behavior therapy) and figuring out what triggers what reaction, what creates attraction, that kind of stuff. I almost got somewhere with her but I backed off at a crucial moment (probably my avoidance kicking in) and as I tried kissing her a week later she backed off and told me she started seeing someone else because I was too slow to act. I never asked her out, stupid mistake on my par but again, I have no clue what I'm doing.

    I took it better than the first one and moved on with my life, we still talk often and I appreciate she didn't cut me off from her life like the first one did.

    Fast forward 1 1/2 month later. It's Christmas at my grandmother's place, she's remarried to some other dude and we celebrate with that guy's family and my own. There's this rather attractive girl in the other family who I'm somewhat familiar with. At this point I've been on NoFap for 4 weeks or so, my self confidence is pretty high up there so I got sit with her, try to talk to her, she's not giving me much to work with but due to certain circumstances I ask her out by text a week later (I'm really a pussy when it comes to asking girls out directly, Avoidance being a problem again...) The date is terrible, she walks in, takes 5 mins to take her coat off, doesn't look at me, stares at the ground, doesn't contribute to the conversation at all, doesn't want anything when I offer her a drink. I found out 3 weeks later she was a lesbian... Why she accepted to go out with me I have no clue. We spoke again a month ago though text and I think she was feeling bad for wasting my time the way she did. It was very disappointing, I have a hard time with my self esteem due to my lack of experience and now this girl comes and makes me doubt I was even born the right gender to get girls...

    4 months later (present time) I have this girl in sight at work. I've been staring her down for the past 3 weeks, I have managed to speak with her a couple times but I haven't asked her out yet. Can't even tell if she has a boyfriend or not but she has given me some signs of interest (at least this is how I interpreted it) I really wish I had a dating coach or something like that behind me to push me when I'm about to back away from doing it. The worst thing about it is that I'm certain she'll accept to go out with me, I'm a good looking guy, I just have no clue what I'm doing and I'm afraid to shoot myself in the foot down the line.

    All those failures are starting to weight on my consciousnesses and the more I fail the less I wanna try... Dating when you don't know what you're doing at 33 is really really hard... I've been giving NoFap a go for a while but If I see no change to my life I think I'm just gonna go back to my old ways again if I can't lose my virginity by the end of this year. I seriously hate starving myself of sexual pleasure.
     
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  2. pat847

    pat847 New Fapstronaut

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    Alright, this seems like a great similarity we have going on here. I myself am 19yo, virgin, and I'm not sure if I'm avoidant or what, but I do generally get anxiety when talking to women in a flirtation sense. For me, I have figured out what I'm doing wrong and the other bullshit excuses I tell myself so I don't have to go through with asking her out. Now the thing you're doing wrong is thinking too much, I have had plenty of asshole douchebag friends to act instead of think and "get around" a lot. I think I read that you had girl in your sights for three weeks, this is waaaaaay to long to be interested without acting. The more you sit and think, the more you put yourself down and end up giving up. If you saw this girl, approached her and just tried to make small talk you can weed out the one's who are pushy and who don't like guys like you. This will get you in the mode of practicing and not caring if you get turned down. Which will happen, a lot. For any guy, I don't care how "hot" you are.

    If you can take anything from what I'm saying it's that you're thinking too much. Girls are not stupid, if you've been watching this girl for three weeks chances are that she noticed and is already waiting for you to approach her. Girls have that unfair advantage from the get-go due to the amount of ego they get from guys coming up to them, almost on weekly if not daily basis. Girls like this tho, to an extent. They enjoy that man who takes action and will be assertive and somewhat cocky. They are attracted to it because they're pretty much the opposite. If you ever want to chat or whatever please feel free to message me.

    Don't give up on women bro there is so much we're missing and when it cums (pun intended) it will feel like nothing you can imagine. Leaving a BIG impression on your consciousness and how it gets what it wants (pleasure).
     
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  3. pat847

    pat847 New Fapstronaut

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    You can find out if a girl is interested in two sentences if not less. Just walk up to them and act like you've seen her before. This will create a start for your convo, end up giving her a compliment like "You know what you're right, the other girl didn't have such beautiful eyes." From this watch her face, if she smiles even a little then follow with, "well would it be okay if I did see you again sometime?" then ask for her number, etc and that's it. WALK AWAY! This will create a sense of wonder in her mind, thinking back to if she ever saw you and you'll be on her mind. DON'T OVERTHINK ANYTHING THAT JUST HAPPENED, IT'S ALL PRACTICE!!! Don't do that bullshit thing and wait to text her, text her the day after not right away though don't seem desperate.
     
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  4. IamRick

    IamRick Fapstronaut

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    Ask her whats her sign. Chicks dig that

    Nah but seriously your thinking way too much man, if your taking 3 weeks just to talk to a girl chances are shes noticed by now :emoji_disappointed_relieved:. Forget trying to start a conversation or getting a #; all that bullshit just makes you outcome dependent & you cant be chill or cool in the beginning if your stressing the end. Try focusing on figuring out if the other person is worth your time or not. Your'e the man & the man is the initiator, not the other way around, nothing happens without your action so you cant be wasting time on uninterested parties. Thinking of people as colors is great for this; Greens are usually friendly social, smile easily & tend to be very positive. Yellows are a bit standoffish cause they're also nervous or not used to conversation but tend to open up in time & Reds are just not in the mood for a conversation. It's usually not your fault if someones Red; they can be red for any reason, maby she got herpes or shes just a cunt to everyone. Just bow out gracefully & keep it pushing. Try to limit your time to EVERYONE (dudes included) you think is yellow & green not just girls you wanna bang; you'll get alot more practice this way. Also try & spot peoples color from a distance, this helps you build massive social intelligence & you start noticing similarities in the people you talk to. Your goal right now seems to be to go on dates & get laid. That's a pretty big goal for someone whos 33 & up until a year ago had never been on a date. Why not try small chunking your goal? Maby focus on just getting comfortable talking to people & building social skills first.
     
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  5. This is mostly what I've been doing. While I did go on a couple dates in the last year I feel like I'm not quite there yet with my approach anxiety which is mostly related to my avoidant personality disorder. I've been practicing mostly with cashiers when I got buy something in a store but I have yet to ask one out. Some of them probably think I'm kinda weird starting a conversation, being flirty and asking for their name and then just walk away but I'm just taking it one step at the time. Meeting people has been challenging too. I can't just go out in the street to meet people as I live in the countrysides and there's absolutely no one to talk to, no clubs to join, no classes to take, no nothing. The closest thing to a social activity around here is bingo...

    I'm just saying but avoidance is a lot worst than shyness, I don't even need to think about why I don't want to approach a girl, I just don't approach the girl just like I wouldn't throw myself of a cliff, there's just an alarm in my head that says "No, not gonna happen"

    I can probably manage the dating part of the game but sex is gonna be a challenge... Honestly at this point I consider sex to be the equivalent of Sci-Fi, I've seen it on TV, it looks fun but I have no actual clue if it's real or not as I've never experienced it. Getting there is pretty much the achievement of a life time for me and I'm not just gonna hire an escort or a prostitute to make it happen, it would be no better than a glorified masturbation. What I'm looking for is the feeling of validation that someone else wants to do it with me, otherwise I will not be getting any kind of boost in my self esteem.
     
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  6. IamRick

    IamRick Fapstronaut

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    I feel you man, talking to women can be very, very scary. Your not the only one whos avoided approaching a girl or starting a conversation; we've all done it myself included. It can be very intimidating & seems downright unfair that all the effort gets placed on us. But if you keep desensitizing yourself & make bigger efforts to do so, eventually you'll have nothing to fear. Give up & go back to old ways however & you'll just keep getting what you got up to this point. Ive been through the same cycle of wanting to do it, doing it, then giving up on doing it. It just repeats itself over & over & you feel shitier & shitier about yourself the more you repeat it.
     
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