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Reasons Behind PMO Binges

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Fenix Rising, Nov 28, 2019.

  1. Fenix Rising

    Fenix Rising Fapstronaut

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    Hi guys,

    I'd just like to share an inside I got from a close school times friend of mine, who happens to be a md and a pharmacologist now. I read about chemicals being released during orgasm before, but didn't know how to connect all the dots. I told her about my past addiction and the symptoms I'm having (anhedonia/depression) now and she said to me that my past behavior makes sense to her. She said I have obviously developed clinical depression in combination with chronical anxiety originating from a childhood trauma. I MO in order to elevate these symptoms (I often said to myself that I do it to feel normal). Orgasm releases dopamine (motivational hormone) which depressed patients usually lack, but more importantly oxytocin - neurotransmitter with analgesic, anxiolytic, antidepressant and other central nervous system effects. The problem is that effects of oxytocin fade soon after reaching O, so you become anxious again and need to have another session of MO and so binges start. I replied: "OK now I understand why I did it +5 times a day, but why MB for hours if I could just do it quickly to get "the fix"? She didn't have an answer instantly but said she'll look into it. She called me back the next day and said she found out that oxytocin is already being released during sex or MB so it makes sense to prolong MB sessions as long as you can to force your body to produce even higher quantities of oxytocin. The longer you do it, more of this neurotransmitter you produce and stronger numbing effects are. In her eyes pornography was just a tool helping me to prolong MO sessions.

    It sounds logical explanation to me. I was addicted to near daily MO binges 7 years before I had first contact with pornography in times when even dial up internet connections were scarce. Porn just enabled me to exacerbate my daily binges to the upper limits of what my body could physically handle.

    It also makes sense why I kept relapsing. It wasn't until I started to seriously address depression/anxiety problem (Aug 2018) that I was able to break out of 25 years long addiction cycle and maintain abstinence. I had periods of few months (even 6 months in 2017/18) long lasting abstentions in the past, but anxiety/depression always kept building up until built-up stress was too much to handle so I numb myself by PMO binge again.

    This is also what made me think that many people suffering from so called PAWS even after 70 weeks of abstinence are actually suffering from the preexisting mental issue(s) that led them to self-medicate discomfort with PMO in the first place. I suffer from anhedonia right now and fight every day to keep anxiety under control and "black dog" of depression in dormant state, but I really think my symptoms cannot be contributed to the so called paws anymore. Time does not heal all wounds. Sometimes it also takes a lot of hard work to get better.
     
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2019
  2. rideronastorm

    rideronastorm Fapstronaut

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    Thank you for a very informative, non speculative and sensible post! I feel this community needs more of this. Once again, I couldn't agree more with you. I believe that a lot of people tend to view the problem the other way round. I said it once and I'll say it again: PMO is often not the cause but the consequence. People don't feel depressed or anxious because of PMO. They feel depressed and anxious and that is why they PMO. Trying to address PMO without addressing the underlying causes is just wasted time, IMO.
     
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2019
  3. I get back to watching amateur porn. Silly me.... Then I experience Brain fog, confusion feelings, shaking, tremors and head tingling pressure.
     
  4. The symptoms u listed are during porn use or withdrawing?
    I have those now with 10 days pmo free. Can you expand?
     
  5. Arnuld

    Arnuld Fapstronaut

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    Very, very good and informative post @Fenix Rising. Thank you for sharing that information and how it ties into your personal story. I can relate to all of it and I agree that most addiction is tied to comfort and the associated chemicals in the brain. My addiction has also been on going for 25+ years and started well before the modern internet took shape. Internet porn just became the gasoline on an already raging fire.
     
  6. I was in withdrawals for 16 months hardmode after 7 years of heavy use. Last night I went to watch porn for about 5 minutes and some of those symptoms returned on the spot.
     
  7. I'm sorry to hear that. This just shows how strong of a drug pornography is, you can't never let your guard down. Just quit it and get back on track. You know it will only make your feelings worse. As for me, the last year has been the worst year of my life. Even walking a few hundred meters has been arduous task sometimes. Extreme anxiety, floating dizziness, constipation, head pressure and tingling, I've been through it all. And still going through it. Brain scans have shown my head to be normal and other tests came out good as well so I guess it gives some sort of relief.

    I felt really bad after a relapse a couple of weeks back, like my head was going to burst so I took some benzo's and I felt almost immediately 10x better. I was wondering if someone can be born with depression/anhedonia? I never had any ambition in life, even in my childhood. But I still get up every day, clean up regularly, eat healthily, exercise daily, but I've never had any true ambition to do anything. I just do those things to feel one percent better. I feel like a robot doing things. Right now I'm thinking about a career change, but that sounds too much of a hassle so I sit here, feeling horrible since my brain can't function normally at the moment. Reading two pages of a book is all I can muster. I'm surprised I can even type this text. But there's light at the end of the tunnel since every day I feel just a tad bit better without PMO. But it's nowhere near enough to function normally. Just enough to have basic functionality.

    Wow, I just had to add that typing that text felt like an enormous task.
     
  8. Yeah I'm trying not fall back to square one cause I don't want to go through all the pains again.

    Similarly symptoms especially the back and forth constipation. I think the nerves tissues are damaged by pmo.
     
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  9. Remember that it took you 16 months to get better, next time it might take 24 months to get better. It's just not worth it as you might eventually die or perhaps live a life with a permanently damaged brain. This is all a new subject in human history, we're the trailblazers of it and thus no further research has been done of it. Better not to risk permanently damaging your brain. All the best in your recovery.
     
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  10. Fenix Rising very interesting post, I do not know you in person, but I do not think it is written in your code you born to be depressed/anxious without MO. Doing MO many times a day harmful too, that a serious addiction that can harm nervous system. I would not underestimate its effect. I guess you were playing fantasies in your head while MOing, that is the same as watching P, for us.

    So we need oxytocin, that means more hugs, every day. Or a pet/dog. Giving gifts for others.
    Somewhere I read how drinking water is connected to oxytocin receptors, just like when you fast from food your dopamine receptors tend to become upregulated, fasting from water, or I would intermittend drinking can have similar effect on oxytocin receptors. I never tried, but thinking about that.
     
  11. rideronastorm

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    I also don't believe that people are born with depression or anxiety and I have yet to see a scientific study that shows otherwise.

    However, the more I read the contributions in this forum, the more I feel we all share some common traits. Many of us had difficult childhoods and/or struggle with serious problems in our lives, ranging from loneliness, to social anxiety, difficulties at school or work and so on. I believe that trying to solve or at least learn to deal with these problems is the basis for a successful recovery. Reducing stress/anxiety and treating depression will prove to be a major boost towards reaching our goal of getting rid of porn addiction.

    For the last couple of days I was on a porn binge, waiting for some news that could either be quite discouraging or quite positive. Today I've received these news and they were good. I have not felt the need or the urge to masturbate or watch porn today. Coincidence? I think not.
     
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2019

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