(Edited)How ejaculation works with dopamine?

Depends on what you mean by "relapse". I'd say there is quite the spectrum, between once or twice just to loosen up the physical organs, or having a longer binge session over a long time. Also, I wouldn't consider sex as "relapsing" -- technically the whole point of "sex drive" is to have "sex" anyway.

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Note: IMO, the whole purpose of fapping is simply --- in between long stretches of 'no sex' (several days/weeks?) --- to occassionally 'de-repress' the physical part of sex drive, so that both psychological and physical parts of sex drive can later work together or synchronize as/when needed or desired. NoFap works great at expanding the psychological sex drive but, without sex, it eventually leads to a repression of the other "half" (but also necessary part) of the sex drive --- the physical part. Over time (or course of several attempts at NoFap), this repression of physical sex drive can easily become a subconscious process, occurring even well below the person's own awareness --- the underlying cause of what is often here called, "flatline".

Likewise, the message of "NoFap", IMO, is to simply point out that using fap/pmo beyond the limited scope described above is, quite frankly, not a very good idea. To phrase it somewhat more "dogmatically" : sex drive shouldn't revolve around some minor "loosener" of its physical portion.

 

Some people need to abstain from PMO entirely, and then slowly incorporate sex back in, depending on how bad the addiction is. As you said though, it's called "sex drive" for a reason and that shouldn't count as a relapse as that's one of the most natural things you can do.

 

Well, if you have a long streak, it could be possible to not lose much if you ejaculate once.

But if you binge-relapse, you’ll lose a whole lot, and I’m talking from personal experience

 

I doubt there's any research or article on it. But I also doubt that there's a single response. A relapse on day 2 isn't really a relapse; it's a continuation of a behavior. And the meaning of a relapse for one person will be different from its meaning to someone else. And, of course, not all ejaculations are relapses. There are people on this forum with years of recovery time and who are in committed relationships. If they ejaculate with their committed partner, does that lose them points? Is the ejaculation from an unintentional wet dream equivalent to the ejaculation after an hours-long edging session from a relapse?

I don't think I would find it useful to think this way. I'd be thinking "Well, if I get up to day 100, and I only lose ten day-points, maybe I can risk just one time!"... and that kind of thinking got me back here after years of a relapse.

I'm sure I'm missing the point of your argument, but I'm equally sure I'd manipulate it, even if I had it right.

 

In general, though, I'd only recommend "complete abstinence" from PMO only for those very new (or still somewhat new) to NoFap. Basically, guys who never did NoFap or had only a few minor attempts are less likely to enter "flatline" -- i.e., the time when all things NoFap start to become, frustratingly, too subconscious or "second-nature" (compared to what may have earlier been a quite a "conscious" struggle!).

Granted, it's technically just a part of the natural human learning process --- i.e., what was once quite a "conscious" effort or a struggle will over time ease into becoming a more second-nature and subconscious thing. But, in this case, it can be frustrating, leaving the person feeling like they have no "conscious" or voluntary control over sex drive (as in, they can't just ramp it up and/or lower it "at will", completely however/whenever they consciously want to). Although, given that sex drive is a somewhat semi-subconscious thing anyway to begin with, it probably shouldn't be that surprising!