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Legalize suicide?

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by Deleted Account, Mar 22, 2018.

  1. SolitaryScribe

    SolitaryScribe Fapstronaut

    It's been well documented that depression can arise when someone has no goals and achievements in life. A person that doesn't have any family, or in some cases comes from an abusive household. Even if you stay in your moms basement all day masturbating to anime can cause depression.

    Clinical depression is know to have no adherent external causes. Their brain chemicals are just messed up... for example people who suffer from bi-polar disorder tend to have depression (though not consistently)

    Behavioral depression in a sense is depression that is propagated by external causes (lifestyle, belief's etc)
     
  2. SolitaryScribe

    SolitaryScribe Fapstronaut

    behavioral depression is what I'm calling depression that comes out of someone's behavior... as in not wanting to find a job and wanting to stay home all day and masturbate. This isn't depression that's caused because the person has something wrong with them... it's caused because they choose live that way.
     
  3. PornFreeMe

    PornFreeMe Fapstronaut

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    For the terminally ill, maybe. Depression? No way. There's always hope.
     
  4. Why label it? Depression is depression and regardless of if it's based on lifestyle or not it's still the result of messed up transmitters, chemicals and deeply rooted neurological pathways in the brain. While some people don't have to have any exposure in the first place to be in constant depression, most continue to live with depression even when they know what's causing it because they aren't able to currently make a change or fix it in any way.

    Like people who lose loved ones or being a victim of abuse, there is no easy way to rid that kind of depression as it's a severely complex issue that's unique to that person. On the subject of lifestyle even in terms of porn addiction for some people it's not just as easy as quiting either, if it was also just simply chemicals alone in terms of depression then SSRI's would have essentially been "cured" by now.
     
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  5. SolitaryScribe

    SolitaryScribe Fapstronaut

    The reason I'm labeling it is because depression that is cause externally can be changed. Simply put, if someone killed themselves because their girlfriend left them, this person has no sympathy from me nd behaved in a cowardly way. If a person killed themselves because they were known to be mentally ill, than that's an actual loss.

    People are using the term "depression" to be complacent with self inflicted misery. In order to prevent more people from hiding behind that word, we need to understand depression and its causes. To simply brush it aside and say all people who are depressed have a mental condition, is just ludicrous.

    Sadly, depression seems to be on a massive incline in western society, especially in youth. The majority of these cases really are based on behavior.
     
  6. And for some people it can only be managed, especially if you're prone to depression and anxiety.

    While obviously I'm not exactly for suicide and rather euthanasia, depression itself regardless of how it formed is a mental illness in the first place. You don't "choose" to be depressed no more than somebody having anxiety. While there's usually a reason for depression it's not exactly simple to get rid of...
     
  7. Depression is the disease of the 21st century
     
  8. If we talk about a suicide and an assistant it seems to me that the assistant should go to jail. regardless of the reasons.
     
  9. SolitaryScribe

    SolitaryScribe Fapstronaut

    You may not choose to be depressed but the way you choose to live your life can cause you to be depressed.
     
  10. tweeby

    tweeby Banned

    In my opinion, circumstance causes the vast majority of depression cases.
     
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  11. While circumstances or however you live your life end up causing you depression, that's complete hogwash to say that it's not a mental illness when you develop it. Anybody actually willing to kill themselves for the small reasons you mentioned does in fact mean they have mental problems, and even if they just have depression if it's left long enough it will most likely turn to suicidal thoughts.

    You make it sound like depression itself is some joke or easy thing to fix. Circumstances can be unavoidable, so unless you're in that depression and actually go through it I guess you won't understand.
     
  12. tweeby

    tweeby Banned

    Cause and effect, interesting turn of events. Is one depressed because of ______ or because ______ happened I am depressed?
     
  13. MLMVSS

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    Depression can be a mental illness itself, but it can also be an effect of external factors or by other mental/emotional conditions such as anxiety.

    We don’t truly know how people feel about their life when they commit suicide. While I DO believe there are some who do it out of cowardice, there are also many who do it because they themselves couldn’t handle anything anymore. It’s easy for us to brush that off and call them cowards because we cannot understand what they’re going through or how they are.

    I think that’s important to keep in mind.
     
  14. tweeby

    tweeby Banned

    I'll just end this with one trailing thought.

    Those who commit suicide generally consider to go on living more painful than death.

    ^Duhh, thank you captain obvious. Some may have legitimate reasons I guess, terminal illness springs to mind, huh I don't know?

    The majority, even the ones who have escaped terrible and systematic abuse, cry suicide not because they want to die but because they want their pain to stop. Do I empathise with them, of course! But the truth is they don't want to kill themselves.

    If they did they would find a quiet place and SUCCEED. Why bother with all the soapbox opera theatrics? It would seriously get in the way of 'Killing yourself.'

    No what they really want is to feel loved and appreciated and put to bed their past. They're just going about dealing with their problems in the wrong way.

    If you have a broken arm you don't go to the supermarket to get a diagnosis? Oh hell no, you go to the doctor. These people should get help, accept they want to be loved, and with the right help, I believe this can absolutely happen. There is a chance for everyone.

    ^But this is NOT going to be easy, it requires incredible self awareness, and a appreciation that they ARE worthy of love, something that they will have been conditioned from a young age they don't deserve. This is the paradox.
     
  15. It's true, when we really want to die it will be quietly. it's a very short step between here and there
     
  16. Um... very easily? I don't respect the decision to ruin your body with drugs and alcohol or casual sex either. That doesn't mean I judge those people or think they shouldn't be "allowed" to do those things, but I don't have to respect them for it. Maybe we have different definitions of the word respect. Respect is not a right. Nobody has to respect anyone else's decisions. That's a part of the freedom your asking for. You want to have the freedom to kill yourself, but you don't want anyone else to have the freedom to not respect your decision? That's pretty pure hypocrisy, if you ask me. You can't control how someone else feels about something.
     
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    what do you mean that I die or not? for you it did not mean anything, I do not see why you do not respect something in which there is not much that can be done. and if the definitions of both are abysmally different
     
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  18. It annoys me that for the fact that no suffering is not the same as that of a sick person then it is not respectable or considerable. That is called double moral. suicide is suicide. be the condition that is
     
  19. I don't think you understand me, and I don't see any other way to explain it, so we will just leave it at that. I meant what I said. You cannot demand someone's respect. You can demand the freedom to make your own choices, but you can't demand that everyone agree with your choices and respect you for them. That's just the way the world works.
     
  20. I don't understand what you're saying here. I don't respect euthanasia either, so I don't have some double standard, if that's what you're trying to say.
     

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