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P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Fenix Rising, May 12, 2019.

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  1. Dave G 123

    Dave G 123 Fapstronaut

    Might I re-phrase this: You must be one good looking Mofo.
     
  2. Dave G 123

    Dave G 123 Fapstronaut

    Is that 2.5 years hardmode?
     
  3. zander13

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    Yes except for months 5-10ish, where I had sex fairly regularly. Don't think it affected me but who knows.

    At this point, this shit just get's boring as hell. I'm either in a state of boredom or anxiety/depression.

    Getting to the end will feel amazing after such a long "journey", but I think the returns start to diminish after a certain amount of months. I just want to move the fuck on man. Tired of posting on these forums, tired of searching out long-term success stories to reignite my optimism, tired of living in a state where I have to live my life in accordance to symptom patterns. For instance, I'm in a friend's wedding this weekend and I'm nervous as hell about the idea that I might have an intense flare-up during all of the scheduled events. A large, large part of me just wants to skip it. I've been stressed out this whole fucking month.

    Will say that it's easier for me to accomplish basic tasks like working out and checking off to-do list items, but yeah. I want to actually enjoy stuff.

    Another shitty thing is being treated like a lesser human when I am enduring flatlines. People, without realizing it, pick up on my lack of confidence, poor body language, and complete sterility. I love who I am, and have a strong presence when I'm feeling well, so I feel like I'm constantly getting shortchanged.

    Whatever. Fuck this noise man. Just so fucking tired of it. And angry. Another flatline is already here. That means months of shittiness. Goddamned sick of the loneliness and the isolation. And the lack of emotions. Fuckkkk I'm so god damned angry I could fucking scream.
     
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2022
  4. Dave G 123

    Dave G 123 Fapstronaut

    I can relate to what you're experiencing. I regularly bail out of things because I just don't have the energy, or the clear-headedness to deal with them. I'm not sure how your experience might map on to my future, as and when I get far enough down the path.

    However, 2.5 years hardmode (not withstanding the S, which I think is OK) is pretty damn impressive.
     
  5. humbleone

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    For me, sex is detrimental to my recovery 100%, so I would take your streak from your last sexual activity, might give you a better guess to where you are in recovery
     
  6. winningover

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    If i have orgasm through masturbation, it will give me some PAWS symptoms for a while definitely. But I noticed that I didn't get any symptoms if I have orgasm through wet dream or sex. Although I am not that active sexually. I orgasm like once per month through sex. But it doesn't take me back to PAWS. I am not sure what would be the consequences if I increase my sex. Another thing that i would like to add here is that thinking or imagining porn also takes me back to PAWS therefore I keep a strict watch on my thoughts for sure.
     
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  7. Ezpz

    Ezpz Fapstronaut

    Have you seen any improvements at all?

    At 16 months i definitely felt i was improving month by month
     
  8. zander13

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    For sure. I'd say clarity is the biggest. Vision, sense of time and date, memory. My digestion also seems to be better, though I'm still not all the way there.

    Ability to speak with strangers is also much, much better. Sometimes I'm still a mess, but I'd say that 50-60% of the time I can be somewhat engaged and even charming.

    Pain is still pain though, and 30 months is a fuckton of time to feel shitty. At this point I just want to be done with it all, small improvements don't really mean as much because PAWs is PAWs. I want to be connected to the world.
     
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  9. Ezpz

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    Thats nice man keep it up. You will get there.

    I have had paws for about 6 years so i know how you feel with being over it. Relapsing just resets paws every time for me.
     
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  10. humbleone

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    To clarify you have been monkmode for 18 months now?
     
  11. All day today I was in flatline but felt some stirring in my abdomen. Just a little while ago I was watching some TV after dinner and slightly dozing off when a raging erection came on out of nowhere.

    My balls and the head of my penis were ultra sensitive but at the same time there was a rather unpleasant pain in my lower abs and balls. It lasted about 10-15 minutes and subsided, thankfully I was able to control myself and not orgasm. I was clutching and biting my pillow trying to hold it in. Good God that was intense.

    Just over 29 months since I started with the first 20 being retention. There have been too many false starts to say I've completely conquered the flatline but my libido decided to emerge and it was ANGRY. I'm curious to see how the weekend is going to go.
     
  12. Himar89

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    You deserve more than this since you fornicate with married women.

    You neither have shame nor a sense of honor.

    You have learned nothing from this addiction.
     
  13. Dave G 123

    Dave G 123 Fapstronaut

    I'm sensing just a little bit of judgement here...
     
  14. Himar89

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    Aren't you now judging me?

    Among the married women he fornicates with could be just your wife.

    Put yourself in their husbands' shoes. How would you feel if your wife cheated on you?

    That's why there are thousands of men crying on MGTOW/ Men's Rights forums since a bunch of Pu**ies like you have no backbone to criticize such honorless men.

    When you find his dirty seed spilled on your sheets try not to be "judgemental".
     
  15. humbleone

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    I appreciate what your saying, but from what I understand, the husbands are willing in this, so their is no deceit. Its also beyond scope of thread the morality of his actions
     
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  16. zander13

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    Good news: I'm feeling emotions today. A lot of crying, especially when I listen to old music I used to love. I'm on the right track. This shit works. Still going to get roughed up, and will get down and negative, but this is a win.
     
    Last edited: Apr 30, 2022
  17. Ezpz

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    Congrats man, happy for you! It certainly does work it just takes a long time.
     
  18. mentorr

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    Hi Guys,

    I have been following the journal of a heavily addicted rebooter over on reddit, and he recently announced that he is cured from PIED after 4 Years solid recovery. This is one of, if not the most severe case I have read about. His addiction spanned over 20 years, but what makes it a good read is that he speaks on his recovery from PAWS, providing a regular update on his recovery from it.

    I think it is definitely worth reading through his posts, there are a lot of gems in regards to recovery.

    https://www.reddit.com/user/NOFAPSuccess2018/
     
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  19. Diegomaradona10

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    hi guys maybe someone will remember me Honestly i think i am the most extreme case at least on the internet maybe someone will remember that i already said i went to flatline zero libido now 7 years ago, after a circumcision surgery in which i don't I could masturbate due to the surgery and after a couple of days my penis shriveled (I already had erection problems before as I masturbated 4-5 times a day and only aroused to the most extreme porn). and I didn't put any more weight on it and continued with regular orgasms everyday for 6 years practically orgasming with a flaccid penis (I thought maybe I'm desensitized by porn and circumcision but there shouldn't be any problems with a woman) .This for 6 years. I have now completed 7 months of hardmode with only 3 orgasms including 2 from wet dreams).
    I still have a shrunk penis and only on one occasion did I feel really alive over there ie on the train sitting next to an unknown girl. I think there are people over there who stay flatline for years WITHOUT KNOWING it until they realize they didn't have penis shrinkage before (I found out with a prostitute) These people how long it takes to heal if they've had a lot of orgasms everydays for years in flatline?
     
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  20. OhWhenThe

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    I've been flatlined for three and a half years now so I know that feeling. I don't think it helps to see yourself as the worst case on the internet though, even if it feels that way. What happened to you sounds similar to my case, just without the circumcision. I was doing a few short nofap streaks(1-4 days) as that was all I could manage until one time I binged after one of them and my libido basically shut down overnight. Most guys who start nofap fall into a short flatline but in the majority of cases relapsing takes them out of it and back to their previous state, with me however relapses just sent me even deeper into it. I expect to come out of this within about the next 50 days though but I'm really not looking forward to feeling all horned up again, I'd happily trade that in exchange for being free of all the other symptoms.

    I agree that a lot of guys on nofap are probably in a flatline and don't even realise it, many of them are mistaking wanting to look at porn for horniness. You said you've had three orgasms with two of those being wet dreams(personally I don't count them), what was the other one? As for how long it's going to take, no one can really know. For some it's three months, for others it's seemingly closer to three years. Some weed addicts have even reported coming out of PAWS after four years. The common theme amongst them is that it all happens rather quickly as if a switch has been flicked.

    By the way, I hope no one was on here last night when someone decided to spam porn in this thread(as well as others).
     
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