Why NOFAP is good for you : perspective of a student of natural medecines

Very interesting site about the topic, thank you for the link!

 

Hey! Thanks for your post, that’s cool to read from another point of view.

I was addicted to PMO for 10 years(I’m 22 now), and would masturbate on average 3 times a day. This could go up to 8 times a day if had free time alone.

I found nofap and decided to stop because I got scared with a semi ED episode and after reading a lot I decided that if PM was messing with the way my sexuality works, I’d stop.

Thing is: I’m seeing major results regarding my erections, but I never felt tired, unfocused, anxiety, fatigue... The only symptom at all was related to erections.

I’m on day 21ish without PM. Only O through sex with my gf, about twice a week (but ejaculate on average 2 or 3 times on each time).

Got tested with my hormones (testosterone, Lh) etc etc and they’re all great.

Why doesn’t any of those symptoms happen to me at all?

 

Hello @Wanker93 ,
While it is alright to have your own opinions about the "proper" way to reboot, it is against the rules to actively discourage particular users from reaching their own individually-elected rebooting parameters.

 

Meditation won't let this happen.

 

Talking about flies.
Just go on happily wanking, little Wanker, no one will hold you back from doing it. The difference between your attitude and the mass of males, helplessly caught in the medial spiderwebs of porn, while telling themselve and others same time, it would be "just for fun, duuude!" is just a click away. While these porn spiders are suckling off their energies, they still feel happily numb, not even realizing what´s really going on, until it´s too late. There are many honey traps beein layed out there - be it drugs, games, alcohol or porn. That is the price of modern liberty. Happy flight!

 

Good for you, maybe explains why you behave like a little jerk here.

If you have reached 40 days like Vedas_fr or me, please return and tell me about your own experiences. Else, I guess you have already noticed it with your sharp wanker brain, this community is called "NoFap" not "not using porn". Means there is a reason why people do not only try to recover from their porn addiction (I for example had never a problem with porn or abstaining from it). The name implicits to keep oneself from "Fapping" by free choice being a main connecting factor.
Telling people here who are often trying hard to master a personal challenge, how great and superdouper relaxing your yesterday wanking session was, like you just did, is a new level of knee jerking in the most literal sense.

As I have written, you are most welcome telling me more about that, after you have made your own personal 40 days hard mode. Good luck!

Oh please, now your are even on a mission "to keep readers save from reading bullshit in the internet" ? Maybe better try that next time on youtube.
In contrast to you, I have no problem to tolerate or discuss different opinions. I want you neither to get deleted, silenced nor banned by a moderator, as long you keep yourself in a respectful behaviour towards other users. But if you go on to have behave like a douchebag, you will be treated like one.

Mission failed. You are only first one who made it on his ignore list. I appreciate his contributions and am glad he writes interesting comments like he does, while yours in best case amuse me. toodle-oo.

 

Fine fine fine fine. So you can ignore each other now.

Good. I was already afraid the mods did it for you.

Don´t worry, most people are not that psychological unstable that reading texts about experiences with celibacy would make them go bananas.

Apple founder Steve Jobs himself decided do try alternative medicine methods instead conventional medical/chemo therapy first, when was diagnosed with cancer. He later admitted it was a mistake, but it was too late then. While other cancer patients cannot even afford a conventional cancer therapy in many parts of the world. (India for example or also USA, if we want to remember the "Breaking Bad" plot) It´s called free choice, that is what we use to do in the free western world. Same principle that allows you 24/7 access to porn, games, weed, alcohol and tobacco, even if you have a high risk to get cancer/addictions by using those. On the other hand there are also many people, who can report you about the benefits of alternative healing methods. And who knows, maybe you could cure some of your own health problems by the benefits of stopping to wankoff all your sexual energy permanently? But sadly we will never get to know that, because its "all bullshit anyway", as you have found out already.

Em, because I have decided 41 days ago to do this again? Oh, wait. You mean, why I have suggested that number to you. Because, it´s a bit ridiculous, if someone making fun about it to people, who have reached at least that number of days already and know about the benefits by their own experience, while he himself can hardly abstain from masturbation a few days at all yet.

Okay, this is one serious advice from my side, because I am a nice guy. Don´t be dissapointed if you fail very quickly, because you probably will. Also there is not much sense doing hard mode (no p/m/o), without a profound motivation or if you do not believe in getting any benefit at all from it. And worse, if you have no idea at all, how to transform and sublimate your stored sexual energy, you will only become very nervous, restless, headaches and short tempered, until you either dismiss it all as "total bullshit" or in worst case relapse even to porn and blame it on noFap. Then better try just not to masturbate and meanwhile find a pretty girl, who is willing to help you. Girls will start to obviously noticing you and becoming more attracted to you after 40 days already, I can guarantee you.

I do not do just a "little bit meditation", I practice it daily for one hour. For years. And in fact, I feel really good at the moment, because the benefits of keeping my sexual energy are starting to develop and manifest again. I have done this already earlier for longer than 3 months , just without noFap. That is the reason why I am motivated to do it at all. Because I know about the benefits by my own experience. Not just by reading or listening to someone, who states something.

Of course, I would not do that, if it would be just boring.

You´re so welcome.

 

Gotcha! I was always pretty active, did exercises, played sports etc etc etc. So my health was always great, and I’m sure this was of great help.

Thing I don’t understand is: I went for 3 months without PMO for different reasons about 1 year and a half ago (I wasn’t having sex, so don’t know anything regarding how that affected my erections), and didn’t feel different at all, except for libido boost. Starting on May 5th I went for 11 days (erection related) PMO and felt no difference regarding my body. After that I had sex (my goal is stopping PM), and it felt amazing after, my mood was great, I felt less stress and just a great feeling overall. I do think that it felt way better because my dopamine system is already changing as I am not flooding it with dopamine several times a day through M, and instead just a few times through sex, making it more sensible or something... Just my experience, no science related! Could definitely be placebo effect, but it’s surely how I feel. Anyways, back to the point: the O feels better when I do it less often, and if anything I get a better mood after it from dopamine -not just from the sex, but also the connection with a girl I have strong feelings etc etc etc- but ZERO negative effects on my body.

I wake up at 07:00am and go to bed at 11:30pm, working 8 am to 6pm shifts mon-fri and university 7pm to 11pm. At the end of the day I feel tired, of course, but because my routine is very busy. I don’t feel tired during the day, wake up fully rested most days (I’m from Brazil, so I don’t sleep so well when it’s very hot, but that’s basically everyone hahaha).

Our mental state rules our body. I think there really could be downsides of ejaculating a lot, although medicine tells you that it doesn’t... But I also think if you put in your mind that something is bad for you, and it’ll make you feel tired,anxious, nervous etc etc etc, you will feel it because you already reinforced that on your mind so many times...

I say that because I ate meat my whole entire life. Then decided to go vegetarian. I “relapsed” and ate meat several times over the next few months and actually felt so good doing it (but felt bad for the animals etc, which is why I stopped...). I then started reading online about Kendrick Farris (Olympic medalist, vegan weight lifter), and how he said meat makes you weak and all. I convinced myself that it was bad for me, that it would make me weak like he said and then I started feeling weak, almost sick when I relapsed and ate meat.

Went to the doctor because I would often feel sick after that and ends up that I had anemia. I told him about what I felt when ate meat and he said this was completely psicological, that actually eating red meat, but not everyday or in large quantity, would help me get the nutrients I needed and get healthy. The nutritionist gave me a meal plan with reduced meat, because I asked for it, but I ate meat 3 times a weak. She showed me studies regarding red meat and how it affects the body, concluding that it was definitely not making me weak. I followed the plan and got healthy in 2 months. Also never felt weak eating meat again...

I’m not trying to change your mind or anything! Nor am I saying what you feel isn’t real, but I definitely feel like the effects of ejaculation isn’t so huge (as huge as causing death as you said in a post ) or causing extreme reactions on the body for most people. I’ve seen many people saying they got great improvements in their mind and body stopping O, so it must be true in many cases, but I strongly believe the psychological side of it is making most of the change.

That’s just my opinion anyways, and really enjoyed knowing yours! Thanks for sharing!

 

thanks everyone for the replies on this thread. I just read the whole thing. I'm staying clean... just for today!

 

Absolutely! In my opinion, it is confirming the psychology part. Like I said I think the psychological does most of it. My hormones are fine (got exams 3 weeks ago), my blood exams are awesome, and I have no circulation problems that would explain ED at such an early age (22).

Stopping PM and only reaching O from human contact made my body rapidly stop craving PM and start craving human contact. My erection is already working great and gets better each day. I actually had some episodes where it worked way above my expectations and I dare to even say above average. That in just about a month of no PM.

Our mind is a powerful thing I guess!

 

One thing I definitely noticed was that when I relapsed on PMO last time I went from remembering like an hourof dreams to remembering almost nothing. It really killed my dream recall and I didn't get lucid or have as vivid dreams as when I was not doing PMO. I kept getting a few weeks, and my dream recall/vivid/ludicity would go way up. Then I'd relapse and lose it again. So now that I'm on day 37 my dream quality keeps climbing. A lot of people in the LD community doubted me saying that it had more to do with beliefs. Thats why I like what @Vedas_fr said about it not always just being mental. Like for example if I drank 12 beers, (I havent drank in 4+ yrs) it would not just be psychological or beliefs that made me sick. I think that is a form of denial I used to do in some cases. So I appreciate that you said that.

EDIT I went back and forth enough with relapsin and then getting a few weeks clean and that served as kind of an experiment. Also its not like that knowledge alone will keep me clean. I could know all the benefits in the world and read them one day but if I go a few days not working my program I could slip.

I can regain my replenishable life force little by little.

 

Just to be clear, I don’t feel like ejaculation hurts me... Like I said, I feel the same when I ejaculate 8 times a day as when I don’t ejaculate for 3 months. The only difference is to this day -FOR ME- is my erection.

I feel much better having sex on a regular basis than I do retaining ejaculation. But again, that’s just me, maybe you feel huge impacts.

I really mean no offense, but you say you don’t want to force your understanding, but keeps throwing arguments on why I should believe you... Maybe you’re right, maybe you’re not, but the actual fact for me is that it doesn’t hurt me badly. Instead makes me feeling great overall. If I don’t ejaculate, I feel great as well! Both are fine!

I’m just here to hear different point of views, but I don’t want you to change your mind about your beliefs. I respect it! If it makes your life better, I think it’s great for you! It doesn’t make my life better, but hey, people are different!!


Again, I’m really glad to see your point of view! Really cool to see how different each case is! Thanks mate

 

He is not a troll, just suffering, stressed out and quite unhappy, don´t let yourself getting irritated on your path by his outbursts.

I have opened your journal and also read most of it. That is a reason why I am willing to talk on with you and not just making fun.
I mean, your own positive 20 days experience is all it needs, to give you enough impression and taste, that there might be something more in it, then just placebo effects and wishful thinking and spiritual gooblegabble.

If you would have made the effort, opening for example Vedas_fr link, I have praised, you could have found a whole collection of writings describing the benefits and positive effects of abstaining from masturbation. And not just religious, but from several points of view. If you would make the effort and seriously plunge yourself into this forum and the offered ressources, you could discover the same here, also how to deal with the challenges and how to overcome your porn addiction permamently.

I link you here to an earlier post of mine, where I have layed out my personal point of view considering masturbation in a simple way.

https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/masturbation-w-o-porn.172550/#post-1465426

I will care to explain you more and detailed, after you have made with honesty and successfully your own 40 days without any masturbation/porn. And if you still be seriously interested then, I am willing to tell you more about my own methods.(you can also observe with grim fun, if I should have relapsed myself until then)
Quid pro quo and be careful, where you fly around little Wanker. The Spiders are always hungry.