The only truth about superpowers and flatline

Experiment1996

Experiment1996

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Hi guys.

First of all - It's about this scale -> DOPAMINE - SCALE - TOLERANCE - QUICKSAND

0 is the normal baseline. This is the normal dopamine base line level. When you reach this level you are healed. You can work, study, talk to people, do sports. You have motivation and feel joy. You function completely normally in society. The world is completely normal. When a person has reached the normal baseline, he has the so-called superpowers/benefits. No more explanation is needed. Others report: It's all in 3D. You see everything better. Everything sounds so good. You don't have brain fog, etc. Everything feels so real and vivid. You have charisma, magnetism,very high libido, etc. This all comes because you reached normal baseline / normal dopamine-levels.

-10 to -90 is under the normal baseline but not in the quicksand. These people have symptoms but are still able to lead somewhat normal, everyday lives. They can work, study, have a social life, play sports, etc. But it's still not a pleasant life. Still, these people aren't in quicksand. Many of us were at this level during our PMO days. Many of us have been doing PMO almost daily and we have never given our brain (dopamine) the chance and time to recover and get back to normal baseline levels. I can hardly imagine anyone being at the normal baseline during their PMO-time. Some guys stopped doing PMO and they went from -30 to -40, or from -50 to -70, or some (very rarely) ended up in quicksand, i.e. at -100.

-100 is the quicksand. That would be an extreme dopamine deficiency, so that you can no longer function in society at all. You can't study, work, play sports, read a book, have a social life. This extreme dopamine deficiency (quicksand level) is a very bad form of anhedonia. You have no motivation at all for the most normal things. It's like you're disabled.

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Since many of us have done PMO for years and therefore been below baseline for years, we have gotten used to it. That's why it feels so intense for us when we stop PMO and our dopamine levels return to normal baseline. Then everyone reports about the so-called nofap superpowers/benefits.

These superpowers/benefits then remain temporary for some days, a few weeks or a maximum of 2 months. This is called the “pink cloud”. Everything feels so good but only temporary.

After the “pink cloud” you fall back below the normal baseline. So the dopamine is back below the normal baseline. Then you are in the flatline. Others call it PAWS (post acute withdrawal symptoms or POIS (post orgasmic illness syndrome). It doesn't matter how you call it. It simply means dopamine deficiency.

Then when they are in the flatline, everyone wonders when they will get their “superpowers/benefits” back and why they suddenly feel so bad. Many people don't understand anything about dopamine and then relapse all the time.

Only through time and abstinence will you get back to the normal dopamine baseline and once that happens, you always have the so-called "superpowers/benefits". A life long! As long as you don't do anything that destroys the dopamine baseline, like alcohol, drugs, medication, etc.

I don't know how long it can take for the dopamine to return to normal levels, but according to my research it takes a maximum of 5 years. Some are cured after 1, 2, 3 or 4 years. It's a little different for everyone. However, I believe that those who start with PMO in childhood and adolescence have alonger flatline than those who started with PMO in adulthood.

That's it. That's the only truth about superpowers and flatline. It is easily explained and easy to understand.

Cheers ;)
 
Intersting topic, thanks for sharing.

I wounder what is our level, those who are still under PAWS ? I would like if you could explain that, thanks in advance.
 
Mr.Tony said:
Intersting topic, thanks for sharing.

I wounder what is our level, those who are still under PAWS ? I would like if you could explain that, thanks in advance.
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Can you function somewhat in society? e.g. work or study, maintain social contacts, pursue sports and hobbies, etc.? If you can do that, but it is uncomfortable because you have symptoms like brain fog, anhedonia, etc. Then you are below the normal baseline level, but not in quicksand. So this means you are between -10 and -90. Somewhere inbetween.

If you can't do that, then you're like an invalid. So then you're in quicksand. This means you are at -100. I was for sure in quicksand for 47 months...

So you can find out for yourself where you stand.

Most of us are below normal baseline levels, but not in quicksand. Nobody can say where exactly whether -50 or -60. One can only estimate this.
 
Experiment1996 said:
Can you function somewhat in society? e.g. work or study, maintain social contacts, pursue sports and hobbies, etc.? If you can do that, but it is uncomfortable because you have symptoms like brain fog, anhedonia, etc. Then you are below the normal baseline level, but not in quicksand. So this means you are between -10 and -90. Somewhere inbetween.

If you can't do that, then you're like an invalid. So then you're in quicksand. This means you are at -100. I was for sure in quicksand for 47 months...

So you can find out for yourself where you stand.

Most of us are below normal baseline levels, but not in quicksand. Nobody can say where exactly whether -50 or -60. One can only estimate this.
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You're right - thanks for the helpful information.
 
Experiment1996 said:
Can you function somewhat in society? e.g. work or study, maintain social contacts, pursue sports and hobbies, etc.? If you can do that, but it is uncomfortable because you have symptoms like brain fog, anhedonia, etc. Then you are below the normal baseline level, but not in quicksand. So this means you are between -10 and -90. Somewhere inbetween.

If you can't do that, then you're like an invalid. So then you're in quicksand. This means you are at -100. I was for sure in quicksand for 47 months...

So you can find out for yourself where you stand.

Most of us are below normal baseline levels, but not in quicksand. Nobody can say where exactly whether -50 or -60. One can only estimate this.
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I must be be -10 to -90 underneath the normal baseline.

I can work and maintain social contacts but it takes a lot of effort to do things. I get brain fog, anhedonia, etc. as well.
 
I'm -90 to -100, barely functioning at all in some ways. I can hardly concentrate enough to read a couple pages of a book. I'm trying to get some coursework done to move on from my shit job and I can't seem to even get going with it. The only "pleasurable" thing I really have is PMO. Sad reality. Mid 30s age range, been edging for decades.
 
SuperSaiyan99 said:
Well im average ngl i cant fit in society like work or school but i can develop myself with spending time in nature and socializing after flatlines or during but less :)
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I know this stage you talking about. Sadly I'm below it due to relapses. I found out that when you reach a certain stage in the recovery, you have to complete at least 90 days(sometimes 6mo) to solidify it. Like some withdrawals won't pop up anymore after 6 months of harmode for example. Then next ones coming.... So on and so
 
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Freeddom_Taker said:
I know this stage you talking about. Sadly I'm below this it due to relapses. I found out that when you reach a certain stage in the recovery, you have to complete at least 90 days(sometimes 6mo) to solidify it. Like some withdrawals won't pop up anymore after 6 months for example. Then next ones coming....
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Well i experience sometimes unable to go out due some weird social axienty but its flatline, dead libido no energy, no motivation, low self esteem. And other days i dont have this all but just axienty Randomly anywhere so i did passed 90 days but my best days was at day 40-56 lol after that hell has started
 
SuperSaiyan99 said:
Well i experience sometimes unable to go out due some weird social axienty but its flatline, dead libido no energy, no motivation, low self esteem. And other days i dont have this all but just axienty Randomly anywhere so i did passed 90 days but my best days was at day 40-56 lol after that hell has started
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Yeah that's how PAWS is. You get a break from withdrawals then another ones coming. It can be discouraging to deal with especially your first time. Them highs and lows from withdrawals are no piece of cake.
 
Freeddom_Taker said:
Yeah that's how PAWS is. You get a break from withdrawals then another ones coming. It can be discouraging to deal with especially your first time. Them highs and lows from withdrawals are no piece of cake.
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Im glad i can keep my mind shut and be focussed on that i can get out of it with maintaining it rather then rushing through it or fighting it off:)
 
This post is very interesting and it's the most accurate, this is the exact explanation for what we are suffering from.

I'm in quicksand and worse than that because not only I can't lead a normal life, my dopamine levels are so low that my digestion system doesn't work, I don't have the motivation to breathe, I'm not joking, breathing takes effort from me, I think my dopamine levels is like -180, and -200 is a dead person because they no longer have the motivation to live(all hypothetic, but it's pretty close).

I will come back to this thread, as it's the most interesting take I found here so far.
 
Bright Man-02 said:
This post is very interesting and it's the most accurate, this is the exact explanation for what we are suffering from.

I'm in quicksand and worse than that because not only I can't lead a normal life, my dopamine levels are so low that my digestion system doesn't work, I don't have the motivation to breathe, I'm not joking, breathing takes effort from me, I think my dopamine levels is like -180, and -200 is a dead person because they no longer have the motivation to live(all hypothetic, but it's pretty close).

I will come back to this thread, as it's the most interesting take I found here so far.
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With pleasure. I understand you. Don't give up.
 
I don’t wanna sound like a hater but I really just don’t think this is true. I made it past 180 days and I saw no difference in dopamine throughout. I failed in the end due to build-up of slip-ups caused by peeking. People I know on this site have made it 100 days and be completely normal, then go another 100-200 and still be fine. If NoFap takes 5 years, or even 2-4, then it’s not worth the wait. What’s worth doing is getting out in the world, asking a doctor for help, self-improvement, targeting and eliminating any PAWS symptoms, and not praying for NoFap to magically work. Our bodies are not programmed to have a magic day count.

I’m also pretty sure this is not how dopamine works. And I’ve never experienced brain fog or any other negative symptoms from NoFap, despite crossing 100 days 3 times.
 
The first two weeks I couldn't do anything, it was like a nervous breakdown I was in bed with no stimulation at all, now it seems to be improving although not very slowly I can function but if it becomes very stressful it causes me problems with fatigue and irritation.
 
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